Can't figure out issue

ThePerfexonist

ThePerfexonist

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These ladies have been giving me issues lately. Wondering if anyone knows whats going on here.
Roots original soil
Skittles & Cinderella #99
FloraGear X4S 240w full spectrum led
Roots organics liquid nutrients
50% humidity/79f-82f temp
PH 6.0-6.2
I have been giving GeneralOrganics CalMag as well but only once a week...Also the same with Roots Buddha Grow.
I thought it was toxicity at first but the more i research the more problems it seems to be. (Like looking up medical symptoms ha)
Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Any additional info that i forgot to mention is available.
 

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polishpollack

polishpollack

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You're over ferting. Roots soil has some nutrients already. I don't think it's as much of ocean forest, but I know it has nutes in it. People will tell you to flush, then reapply a small amount, but I say a flush might help, then just let it dry out quite a bit before you water again. Don't give any more nutes until much later, is my opinion, as you write that you've given what sounds like too much already. From the size of the pots you'll probably have to transplant at some point. I suggest go with a large container of ocean forest and give nothing but water as it has plenty of nutrients already. If you transplant into ocean forest, then forget about adding more nutrients by hand or you're back to this condition.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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yep, plants in that size container wont need nutes for quite some time. if indoubt, you can allways wait till you see the fan leaves yellowing and then feed, thats how i work with soil
 
ThePerfexonist

ThePerfexonist

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polishpollack said:
You're over ferting. Roots soil has some nutrients already. I don't think it's as much of ocean forest, but I know it has nutes in it. People will tell you to flush, then reapply a small amount, but I say a flush might help, then just let it dry out quite a bit before you water again. Don't give any more nutes until much later, is my opinion, as you write that you've given what sounds like too much already. From the size of the pots you'll probably have to transplant at some point. I suggest go with a large container of ocean forest and give nothing but water as it has plenty of nutrients already. If you transplant into ocean forest, then forget about adding more nutrients by hand or you're back to this condition.
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Thanks for the info... i transplanted using the same soil because i have so much of it anyways but i was thinking of switching to try it out(after i go through the rest of my supply). and they are already in 5gal pots. Cant imaging going bigger with the room i have available for flower.But for now i will be giving them plain old water (PH'd of course) till the issues correct themselves hopefully. Fingers crossed!
 
Buddernugs

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Ok so I see deff nitrogen overload on first few pics and other pics cal mag deficiency give them 300ppm cal mag totals into your nute feed with other grow Nutes...I’d also back down 10% of your grow ppms....carful with roots organic I had a debilitating russet mite and fungus gnat infestation from the soil (it was loaded with them)....most soil company’s (most) leave the soil out side to cook in a giant pile with tarps on them....bugs will always find a way....the inside of the soil is always clean but the first couple shovel fulls and the last bit they scrape the bucket on will always be loaded with bugs so it’s always hit or miss
 
polishpollack

polishpollack

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to over fert and use low pH is double jeopardy. pH value is driven by nutrient levels. more ferts many times will drive pH down, depending on the fert. to pH water is silly. mother nature doesn't pH adjust and neither should you. Looks like you're giving too much fert.
 
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Buddernugs

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5.5-6.5 is for hydro really hydro needs 5.7-6.0 for butter zone I grow in coco so not to sure on soil I do know it’s higher than htdro
 
detgreenthumb

detgreenthumb

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Looks like you could be phosphorus and nitrogen deficient. Plus I'd bump humidity to at least 65-70%
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ThePerfexonist

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detgreenthumb said:
Looks like you could be phosphorus and nitrogen deficient. Plus I'd bump humidity to at least 65-70%
These VPD charts are extremely beneficial when it comes to keeping the plant going through photosynthesis efficientlyView attachment 4703104
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I guess so! haha.im going to turn up the humidity and start there. Don't want to change to many things to quickly only because i already have been giving what is considered a decent amount of nitrogen. i only say that because the plants started to change a day or 2 after i fed.
 
detgreenthumb

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ThePerfexonist said:
I guess so! haha.im going to turn up the humidity and start there. Don't want to change to many things to quickly only because i already have been giving what is considered a decent amount of nitrogen. i only say that because the plants started to change a day or 2 after i fed.
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Always work with one variable at a time. If you throw a bunch of different stuff at it how do you know what truly worked, what did nothing and what hindered progress? Bumping that VPD will get those stomata opened back up. If you have the ability to sim the lights I'd cut them back to like 75%
 
polishpollack

polishpollack

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This grow shouldn't be low in nutrients. The grower is using Roots soil, which has nurtients. three kinds of additional nutrients are being given, liquid fert, calmag, and budsbuddha, whatever that last one is. There's some dark green leaves with dying tips, which tends to mean over fert. The light green and yellowing that's showing can be due to over fert as well. But do what you feel is right. You haven't written exactly how much you given of that stuff, so it's hard to tell, but giving so much fert is usually the cause of a problem when you are in soil that has nutrients.
 
detgreenthumb

detgreenthumb

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polishpollack said:
This grow shouldn't be low in nutrients. The grower is using Roots soil, which has nurtients. three kinds of additional nutrients are being given, liquid fert, calmag, and budsbuddha, whatever that last one is. There's some dark green leaves with dying tips, which tends to mean over fert. The light green and yellowing that's showing can be due to over fert as well. But do what you feel is right. You haven't written exactly how much you given of that stuff, so it's hard to tell, but giving so much fert is usually the cause of a problem when you are in soil that has nutrients.
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He's probably getting pythium built up on his roots which would he inhibiting the plants ability to bring in nutrients. Gotta dim the lights first, sterilize the media second and start back with a very mild feeding after the roots are looking clean and healthy and you have a successful slow flush for a couple days
 
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