Windmills spill fumes! We need Clean Coal.

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tslonige

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Wind is a renewable energy source. Overall, using wind to produce energy has fewer effects on the environment than many other energy sources. Wind turbines do not release emissions that can pollute the air or water (with rare exceptions), and they do not require water for cooling. Wind turbines may also reduce the amount of electricity generation from fossil fuels, which results in lower total air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions.
An individual wind turbine has a relatively small physical footprint.
 
sandman83

sandman83

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tslonige said:
Wind is a renewable energy source. Overall, using wind to produce energy has fewer effects on the environment than many other energy sources. Wind turbines do not release emissions that can pollute the air or water (with rare exceptions), and they do not require water for cooling. Wind turbines may also reduce the amount of electricity generation from fossil fuels, which results in lower total air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions.
An individual wind turbine has a relatively small physical footprint.
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Wind turbines still require maintenance and lots of land to be overall efficient, if we could solve those issues they would be a lot more cost efficient. A lot of the green technologies fail once you factor in the energy cost to build and maintain the devices, let alone replacing things like solar cells and the battery banks.


I think the best approach honestly is phased where we ramp up the practical green solutions and use nuclear where applicable. Coal burning and other fossil fuels just seems a dirty way to go about power generation and the risks of nuclear meltdown is very negligible compared to the pollution currently produced. Some of the newer wind turbines I've seen designed for urban areas replace those giant propellor ones and are able to be placed in a better way.
 
mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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VILEPLUME said:

He never understood wind, but he studied it better than anyone.

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Hi VilePlume,

One thing that is most obvious that stands out about that graph and the statistics in regards to exactly which types of birds are being killed and by what, is that it doesn't categorize the size ratio between which birds are being killed, and or which species, obviously cats kill lots of birds, but they are mostly killing birds with a wingspan of 12" or less, they aren't out putting a dent in the larger nesting types of birds like eagles, or other water fowl like ducks and so forth, the larger soaring types of birds are at most risk in regards to the wind turbines because the blades spin within their typical flight path and comfortable soaring/hunting height.

I had a friend that worked on these turbines as a mechanic in the past tell me one time, that they do find a lot of large birds like ducks, geese, owl's and eagles killed by the turbine blades, and there are other small flocking types of birds that are typically found nearby dead as well, not so much the forest tree nesting types though actually, because they have a smaller range and flight path/height and such.

My main point here is that household/feral cats aren't out killing off the larger species of birds, even crows are aren't really bothered by feral cats, I've never seen one really fear a cat either and we had lot of them flying all over the place at my Dad's old property and there were cats around, so yeah there's that part of the argument as well, most larger predatory birds aren't as effected as much by cats as the research/graphs might suggest, the largest birds I've seen most often killed by cats are dove birds, bluejays, and robin's, the smaller more agile species aren't really caught as often in my region (Been around cats for decades, they typically will choose a meal that is half there size or smaller, & I've seen chickens tear a cat up before).

And I might also include that a separate wildlife organization did a study on wind turbines and bird deaths and found a much higher number than is being reported, and this is from 6 years back mind you, we've added more turbines since.....


I'm far from being a Trump supporter, but he is right about the turbines, and some of the most protected species of birds are in danger from this type of technology, so I agree with him there, and I see a good bit of reason/evidence as to why he is right about the statements he made towards this issue.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mustbetribbin said:
Hi VilePlume,

One thing that is most obvious that stands out about that graph and the statistics in regards to exactly which types of birds are being killed and by what, is that it doesn't categorize the size ratio between which birds are being killed, and or which species, obviously cats kill lots of birds, but they are mostly killing birds with a wingspan of 12" or less, they aren't out putting a dent in the larger nesting types of birds like eagles, or other water fowl like ducks and so forth, the larger soaring types of birds are at most risk in regards to the wind turbines because the blades spin within their typical flight path and comfortable soaring/hunting height.

I had a friend that worked on these turbines as a mechanic in the past tell me one time, that they do find a lot of large birds like ducks, geese, owl's and eagles killed by the turbine blades, and there are other small flocking types of birds that are typically found nearby dead as well, not so much the forest tree nesting types though actually, because they have a smaller range and flight path/height and such.

My main point here is that household/feral cats aren't out killing off the larger species of birds, even crows are aren't really bothered by feral cats, I've never seen one really fear a cat either and we had lot of them flying all over the place at my Dad's old property and there were cats around, so yeah there's that part of the argument as well, most larger predatory birds aren't as effected as much by cats as the research/graphs might suggest, the largest birds I've seen most often killed by cats are dove birds, bluejays, and robin's, the smaller more agile species aren't really caught as often in my region (Been around cats for decades, they typically will choose a meal that is half there size or smaller, & I've seen chickens tear a cat up before).

And I might also include that a separate wildlife organization did a study on wind turbines and bird deaths and found a much higher number than is being reported, and this is from 6 years back mind you, we've added more turbines since.....


I'm far from being a Trump supporter, but he is right about the turbines, and some of the most protected species of birds are in danger from this type of technology, so I agree with him there, and I see a good bit of reason/evidence as to why he is right about the statements he made towards this issue.
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Maybe we should outlaw airplanes.....
The Federal Aviation Administration says there are more than 10,000 bird strikes a year, which works out to more than 26 hits a day.Apr 26, 2012
 
mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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I don't know Doublejj seems to me like cars would be first to go at 200 million per year, I'm not real sure when that graph was compiled either, but the figures may have changed a bit since it was made in some areas, hard to say exactly...

On that graph it shows the only area that Canada and the US are equal at are powerline collisions (25mil) I find that kinda odd, everywhere else it shows US is way higher, but that's probably because of climate and higher numbers of buildings, as well as cars and roads.
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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doublejj said:
In the United States an estimated 1.23 million deer related accidents occurred in a one-year period. Outlaw cars?...
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I'm an environmentalist along with an animal rights activist. The solution to both our problems is just to ban people.

But on a serious note, I'm all on board for alternative energy.

There's no such thing as clean coal, just like there isn't such a thing as smart tea bagger who claims it.
 
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