LED DIY

Rdot03

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1st I have to say I read way to many threads. I'm constantly thinking up new ideas for grow space and its driving me insane.. I just need to pick something and go with it. Which leads me to my next thought. I've been going back and fourth over lighting and came across the timber lights. The redwood with 400w and the fatty with 900w. I have a total area of around 120sqft but probably will only have a 8x8 footprint for flower. With that being said if I shoot for 50w per sqft that's 3200w. The fatty would give me 3600w for 5x5 and the timber 1600 of 4x4. The fatty would give me what I need wattage but the pricetag is crazy when you think about shipping 4 of these units. That leads me to my next thing I've been researching cobs and thought well maybe I'll build some lights for my needs and came up with a 9 cob fixture.

9 vero29's 5 3000k and 4 3500k
Spec says 69.4v @1710ma.

So i could use the 3 hlg 480h-c1750 drivers for 9 cobs if I understand correctly. 69.4x1.75x9= 1,093w for one fixture. Or if I ran at 1400 = 874w. If this is correct and I build four fixtures that would give me a total of 4,372w for 1750 and 3,496w for the 1400???. Either way I choose to go would adequately light a 64sqft area right. Only difference if $$$ spent..

This will be an enclosed room with mini split, and exhaust.

Any thoughts or ideas welcome.
 

Rdot03

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My whole goal is to maximize yield with given space. Running co2 has crossed my mind. Im hoping to pull 5 to 10lbs.

The only thing I can add is that unless you're planning on adding CO2, 30w/ sq ft is plenty with the veros.
 

DesertPlants

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I have built several rigs with Vero 29 SE C Bin COBs and I love them. I recently tried a couple HLG QB 288 v2s and really like them. You can get the v1 quantum boards right now for $47, but they are out of stock of both 3000K and 4000K. The v2s are what I am testing, but they are $89 for the board and a Slate 2 heatsink that can handle up to 150w each (closer to 175 max from my testing, but I keep mine between 150-160).

So, at 30 watts a square foot and 64 square feet, you will need 13 QBs. There’s no thermal adhesive or anything needed, so it would just be the packages and drivers you need. Use an HLG-150-54A per light so you can tune the dimming and power consumption. They run $40-ish per driver, so including wire, power plugs, and the kit, you’re looking at $140 for 150 watts or 93.3 cents a watt. Total for 13 would be $1677-ish. For 50 watts per square foot, you will need 22 lights at $3080.

For the Vero 29 SE COBs, you can run 4 C bin COBs per HLG-480H-C1750A, so I would do 2 drivers with 4 COBs each for a total of eight COBs per fixture. Running fewer cobs on the driver will reduce efficiency. So, for 64 square feet at 30 watts per square foot, you will need 2 fixtures with two drivers and eight cobs on each; totaling 1909.6 watts. The actual wattage for this comes to 29.84 watts per square foot. For 64 square feet at 50 watts per square foot, you will need three fixtures with two drivers and four COBs per driver plus a fixture with one driver and four COBs. This would total 3341.8 watts.

Keep in mind that running these at this high of a drive will mean active cooling. I use the Arctic Alpine 64 plus CPU coolers since they can handle this wattage easily, but Arctic appears to have quit making them. The closes you can get now is the Arctic 12 CO, thought you might want to check that first since the pad is nowhere near as large as it was on the 64 plus. You can get them on Amazon for about $11.99. So 20 COBs from Arrow with 10 BXRC-40G10K0-C-73-SE 4000K ($273.50) and 10 BXRC-30G10K0-C-73-SE 3000K ($259.60), plus 20 Arctic Alpine 12 CO coolers from Amazon ($239.80), plus 3 APV-16-12 drivers for the fans ($17.70), plus $80 in wiring and power cords, plus about $150 in angle aluminum, plus $10 in screws, comes out to $1031-ish.

Now… it gets more complex…

A Vero 29 SE at 1750 mA will throw about 18.375 lumens or 153.9 lumens per watt. This means a Vero 29 setup with 3341.8 watts will output about 514,285 lumens, equaling 498.8 lumens per dollar to build. The quantum board setup at 50 watts per square foot will output about 168 lumens per watt. This means the QB setup with 3300 watts will output about 554,400, equaling 180 lumens per dollar… BUT… each light is outputting about 25,200 lumens, which means your 20 COBs are putting out as much light as about 20 QBs, even though the wattage is lower… so in reality, you could cut the QB build down to 20 lights at $2800 and 3000 watts. This would mean you would be using 341.8 watts less power. This in turn means you would be using 8.2 kWh less power per day and 254.3 kWh less per month. The average power rate in the USA is 12 cents per kilowatt-hour, so you would be saving $30.52 per month. At that rate, the cost difference would be recouped in 5.59 years. This all depends on where you live though… for example in California, the average power rate is 18.32 cents per kWh, so that would be a savings of $46.59 a month and would take 3.6 years to recoup the cost and start saving money. And the worst case scenario, Hawaii… they charge 32.09 cents per kWh, so it would save $81.60 a month and only take about two years to become more cost saving. So, it really depends on location and if you plan to stick with it long term.

I know I went down a rabbit hole here, but it’s something to think about.
 

Rdot03

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I have built several rigs with Vero 29 SE C Bin COBs and I love them. I recently tried a couple HLG QB 288 v2s and really like them. You can get the v1 quantum boards right now for $47, but they are out of stock of both 3000K and 4000K. The v2s are what I am testing, but they are $89 for the board and a Slate 2 heatsink that can handle up to 150w each (closer to 175 max from my testing, but I keep mine between 150-160).

So, at 30 watts a square foot and 64 square feet, you will need 13 QBs. There’s no thermal adhesive or anything needed, so it would just be the packages and drivers you need. Use an HLG-150-54A per light so you can tune the dimming and power consumption. They run $40-ish per driver, so including wire, power plugs, and the kit, you’re looking at $140 for 150 watts or 93.3 cents a watt. Total for 13 would be $1677-ish. For 50 watts per square foot, you will need 22 lights at $3080.

For the Vero 29 SE COBs, you can run 4 C bin COBs per HLG-480H-C1750A, so I would do 2 drivers with 4 COBs each for a total of eight COBs per fixture. Running fewer cobs on the driver will reduce efficiency. So, for 64 square feet at 30 watts per square foot, you will need 2 fixtures with two drivers and eight cobs on each; totaling 1909.6 watts. The actual wattage for this comes to 29.84 watts per square foot. For 64 square feet at 50 watts per square foot, you will need three fixtures with two drivers and four COBs per driver plus a fixture with one driver and four COBs. This would total 3341.8 watts.

Keep in mind that running these at this high of a drive will mean active cooling. I use the Arctic Alpine 64 plus CPU coolers since they can handle this wattage easily, but Arctic appears to have quit making them. The closes you can get now is the Arctic 12 CO, thought you might want to check that first since the pad is nowhere near as large as it was on the 64 plus. You can get them on Amazon for about $11.99. So 20 COBs from Arrow with 10 BXRC-40G10K0-C-73-SE 4000K ($273.50) and 10 BXRC-30G10K0-C-73-SE 3000K ($259.60), plus 20 Arctic Alpine 12 CO coolers from Amazon ($239.80), plus 3 APV-16-12 drivers for the fans ($17.70), plus $80 in wiring and power cords, plus about $150 in angle aluminum, plus $10 in screws, comes out to $1031-ish.

Now… it gets more complex…

A Vero 29 SE at 1750 mA will throw about 18.375 lumens or 153.9 lumens per watt. This means a Vero 29 setup with 3341.8 watts will output about 514,285 lumens, equaling 498.8 lumens per dollar to build. The quantum board setup at 50 watts per square foot will output about 168 lumens per watt. This means the QB setup with 3300 watts will output about 554,400, equaling 180 lumens per dollar… BUT… each light is outputting about 25,200 lumens, which means your 20 COBs are putting out as much light as about 20 QBs, even though the wattage is lower… so in reality, you could cut the QB build down to 20 lights at $2800 and 3000 watts. This would mean you would be using 341.8 watts less power. This in turn means you would be using 8.2 kWh less power per day and 254.3 kWh less per month. The average power rate in the USA is 12 cents per kilowatt-hour, so you would be saving $30.52 per month. At that rate, the cost difference would be recouped in 5.59 years. This all depends on where you live though… for example in California, the average power rate is 18.32 cents per kWh, so that would be a savings of $46.59 a month and would take 3.6 years to recoup the cost and start saving money. And the worst case scenario, Hawaii… they charge 32.09 cents per kWh, so it would save $81.60 a month and only take about two years to become more cost saving. So, it really depends on location and if you plan to stick with it long term.

I know I went down a rabbit hole here, but it’s something to think about.
I appreciate the info just gives me something else to think about. I was looking to build 4 fixtures to cover a 100 sqft section but main focus on the 8x8 footprint or maybe even a 9x9. There is just so many combinations on how to run cobs.. more reading to come
 

pulpoinspace

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if you run vero C at 1750ma you're gonna need active cooling or a comedically large heatsink

edit: ah i see someone mentioned that. but yeah fans need drivers too.

i would run them at 1400ma on 180mm heatsink or 1050ma on 140mm heatsink and stick with passive cooling but thats just me.
 

DesertPlants

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I appreciate the info just gives me something else to think about. I was looking to build 4 fixtures to cover a 100 sqft section but main focus on the 8x8 footprint or maybe even a 9x9. There is just so many combinations on how to run cobs.. more reading to come
Let us know what you end up building. I love seeing what people come up with.
 
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