The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

[TacoMac]

Dude, RICO was made to prosecute scumbags like donald

No, it wasn't.

It was made to go after organized crime.

Back before RICO, it was next to impossible to stop organized crime because they knew the law very, very well. If they weren't directly involved with the crime, it was essentially impossible to ever convict them.

What's more, they (law enforcement) knew that the mob bosses all met, all discussed things, all divided up territories and actions. But, say one family committed 5 murders. Well, there was nothing they could do except against the people that carried out those murders, even though they knew full well that several of the mob bosses gave their permission for it to happen. Proving conspiracy was, at best, iffy.

They tried many times and failed.

That's the entire reason that RICO was created: To make them all responsible for the crimes they were a part of even if they were not directly responsible for that given crime.

It's what devastated organized crime in this country. Here's a layman's example of a before and after scenario.

Before RICO:
Family 1 - 2 counts murder in the first - Two men from the family go to jail for life.
Family 2 - 5 counts money laundering - 5 people from the family go to jail for 10 years tops.
Family 3 - 2 counts obstruction of justice, one count racketeering - one guy from the family goes to jail for 12 years.
Family 4 - 5 counts of bank fraud - 2 guys go to jail for 5 years.

After RICO, EVERYBODY goes to jail for life because they are ALL guilty of ALL of those crimes because they were all a part of an ongoing criminal conspiracy.

Trump doesn't do shit like that. He doesn't have that kind of setup at all. RICO wouldn't apply even if you tried to make it apply. There is nobody else. It's just him.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, it wasn't.

It was made to go after organized crime.

Back before RICO, it was next to impossible to stop organized crime because they knew the law very, very well. If they weren't directly involved with the crime, it was essentially impossible to ever convict them.

What's more, they (law enforcement) knew that the mob bosses all met, all discussed things, all divided up territories and actions. But, say one family committed 5 murders. Well, there was nothing they could do except against the people that carried out those murders, even though they knew full well that several of the mob bosses gave their permission for it to happen. Proving conspiracy was, at best, iffy.

They tried many times and failed.

That's the entire reason that RICO was created: To make them all responsible for the crimes they were a part of even if they were not directly responsible for that given crime.

It's what devastated organized crime in this country. Here's a layman's example of a before and after scenario.

Before RICO:
Family 1 - 2 counts murder in the first - Two men from the family go to jail for life.
Family 2 - 5 counts money laundering - 5 people from the family go to jail for 10 years tops.
Family 3 - 2 counts obstruction of justice, one count racketeering - one guy from the family goes to jail for 12 years.
Family 4 - 5 counts of bank fraud - 2 guys go to jail for 5 years.

After RICO, EVERYBODY goes to jail for life because they are ALL guilty of ALL of those crimes because they were all a part of an ongoing criminal conspiracy.

Trump doesn't do shit like that. He doesn't have that kind of setup at all. RICO wouldn't apply even if you tried to make it apply. There is nobody else. It's just him.

Donald is organized crime

 

[TacoMac]

Donald is organized crime

Then you have no clue what organized crime is.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Why The Trump Organization Now Risks Being Charged As A Criminal Enterprise
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2019/03/06/why-the-trump-organization-now-risks-being-charged-as-a-criminal-enterprise/#d49c9883a187
Steve Denning Senior Contributor


"The guilty have a head start, and retribution is always slow of foot, but it catches up".
—Horace, Odes, Book III, Ode 2

I have already suggested "What The Mueller Report Will Say" about the Russia investigation, including the possibility that President Trump will be found to have become involved, wittingly or unwittingly, in multiple criminal conspiracies. But President Trump’s legal troubles are far from over, even if, as some implausibly suggest, that the Mueller Report turns out to be a “dud.”

Beyond Russia, Michael Cohen’s testimony last week before the House Oversight Committee pointed to the possibility of wide-ranging criminality within the Trump Organization before, during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, including election finance violations, bank fraud, charity fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud, obstruction of justice and suborning perjury.
more...

 

[schuylaar]

Nice! You did a screen cap without your entire name appearing on it.

+++rep!

meh..it's just us here right?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Here is an article by a former prosecutor, currently a legal talking head on MSNBC
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New Trump Probe Looks a Lot Like a RICO Investigation
The crimes reportedly under investigation—money laundering, fraud, conspiracy—could amount to a criminal enterprise. That’s how my team of prosecutors put away Detroit’s mayor.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-trump-probe-looks-a-lot-like-a-rico-investigation

Referring to a cooperator as a “rat,” President Trump sometimes sounds like a mob boss. He may ultimately be prosecuted like one, too.

While some reports say that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation is winding down, it appears that another investigation is just gearing up. According to reports in The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, a grand jury in the Southern District of New York recently issued a subpoena to the Trump inaugural committee, seeking documents relating to donors and spending. According to reports, the subpoena indicates that prosecutors are investigating conspiracy against the United States, false statements, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and violations of campaign finance and inaugural committee laws. In addition, CNN has reported that federal prosecutors in Manhattan have expressed interest in interviewing executives from the Trump Organization.

It is impossible to know exactly what the federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating, but the wide array of crimes brings to mind a case that was prosecuted in Detroit when I served as U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan. Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and several of his associates were convicted under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as RICO.
more...

 

[TacoMac]

They're morons selling papers and clicks. Just like the idiots that said Trump Jr. was going to be picked up any day, and then pardoned that I said was moronic, would never happen and guess what...it NEVER HAPPENED.

Look, RICO is made for one reason: TO GET MULTIPLE HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE.

Who else are you going to get besides Trump? Answer that one.

 

[Herb & Suds]

They're morons selling papers and clicks. Just like the idiots that said Trump Jr. was going to be picked up any day, and then pardoned that I said was moronic, would never happen and guess what...it NEVER HAPPENED.

Look, RICO is made for one reason: TO GET MULTIPLE HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE.

Who else are you going to get besides Trump? Answer that one.

The Trump family, Roger Stone , Rudy Guillani and the book keeper ....

 

[TacoMac]

The Trump family, Roger Stone , Rudy Guillani and the book keeper ....

Nope.

Half the Trump family is protected by privilege. That's out.

Roger Stone is already charged. He's out.

Rudy Giuliani? LMAO!!! He's a lawyer. Not even on the table.

What book keeper?

Again, NONE of that is RICO material. At all. You don't RICO one man and a few employees. You RICO several different high profile people working together. If this were EVER going to be a RICO case, it would have been with Manafort, Gates, Flynn and possibly Cohen.

That ship already sailed. There is nobody left now but Trump. Anybody else that has a few petty crimes against them nobody is going to care about, let alone RICO. It's simply far, far, far to risky to even think about, let alone actually engage in.

Example: Say you RICO'd the entire Trump family. If the jury finds Trump Jr. not guilty of one single crime in the RICO case, EVERYBODY WALKS FREE.

You really going to risk that as a prosecutor?

FUCK NO.

 

[blake9999]

Lets just cut to the chase. Trump is as guilty as a cat in the gold fish bowl and he will be going down for it. And along the way he will be taking others with him, probably his family members.

 

[Herb & Suds]

They are not protected if Mueller filed sealed Rico indictments
All it takes is a group of people conspiring together and provable

 

[Herb & Suds]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2019/03/06/why-the-trump-organization-now-risks-being-charged-as-a-criminal-enterprise/#2ff691e83a18

 

[TacoMac]

sealed Rico indictments

No such thing.

All it takes is a group of people conspiring together and provable

Yes and no.

Again, and I've explained this many times, RICO is NOT about prosecuting members of the same exact origination. To date, that has never, ever, ever been even attempted, let alone done. RICO is much more about organized crime: different organizations working together to a common end.

For instance, in organized crime RICO's, you had COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOBS all tried for the same crimes because they all worked together to make them happen.

That is not what Trump is all about. It's just him ordering other people to do his bidding. For starters, it doesn't fit the statute at all and probably would never make it past a judge for RICO status.

Secondly, you would never, EVER do that as a prosecutor with a single entity, which the Trump organization is.

What you would want to do is exactly what they are presently doing: picking it apart one person at a time from the bottom up. Each person gives you more people. You get those people, put the fire under their ass, they flip and give you more people, rinse-repeat until you get to the top.

By that time you have Trump and he has nowhere to go. At the end of the day, one man is your target, not many. That's why RICO doesn't apply and never will.

 

[Herb & Suds]

I'm aware it is designed to get the leader and I bet it is what happens...as far as the others the southern district is gong to clean house if Trump is not re-elected

 

[TacoMac]

I'm aware it is designed to get the leader

Again, RICO is NOT designed to get ONE leader. It's purpose is to get many. That's why it doesn't apply to Trump at all.

 

[zeddd]

Bet they’re shitting their calvins whatever the details

 

[Herb & Suds]

Again, RICO is NOT designed to get ONE leader. It's purpose is to get many. That's why it doesn't apply to Trump at all.

Did you even bother reading that article in Forbes ?
Here I'll make it easier for you...sometimes you are just wrong


Under the RICO Act, when an organization is found to have committed at least two acts of racketeering activity within the last ten years, then prosecutors can seek to charge the organization as a criminal enterprise and pursue everyone involved in the organization as part of an organized conspiracy.

“Racketeering activity” under the RICO Act comprises some 35 types of criminal activity including bribery, extortion, fraud, wire fraud, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, money laundering, and harboring aliens, i.e. precisely the kind of criminal activity that Michael Cohen’s testimony for the Oversight Committee pointed to.

Under the RICO Act, a person who has committed at least two acts of racketeering activity within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if a person’s acts relate in one of four ways to the enterprise:

• the person invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity in the enterprise; or
• the person acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of, the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity; or
• the person conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering activity; or
• the person conspired to do one of the above.

In essence, the enterprise can be either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the racketeers, or all of the above.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Atta boy Micheal Cohen this is how it's done, fuck Donald and sue him at the same time for doing it!
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Michael Cohen sues the Trump Organization
By Melanie Schuman and Erica Orden Updated 1:40 PM ET, Thu March 7, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/michael-cohen-sues-the-trump-organization/index.html

New York (CNN)President Donald Trump's former lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, is suing the Trump Organization, saying it failed to fulfill its contractual obligations to indemnify him or pay his attorneys' fees relating to his work after he began cooperating with federal investigators.

Cohen cites congressional hearings and the Mueller investigation as examples of his work as well as the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels.
In his complaint, Cohen says his legal bills for the criminal investigations he faced totaled $1.9 million.
"By failing to pay Mr. Cohen's attorneys' fees and costs and other amounts incurred in connection with the matters, the Trump Organization has breached the indemnification agreement," the filing states.

The filing is dated Thursday and was filed in the New York state Supreme Court.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

 

[blake9999]

I ought to file a lawsuit against Trump for the depression he's causing me with his failed presidency.

 

[TacoMac]

Under the RICO Act, when an organization is found to have committed at least two acts of racketeering activity within the last ten years, then prosecutors can seek to charge the organization as a criminal enterprise and pursue everyone involved in the organization as part of an organized conspiracy.

Which is what I've said at least 20 times that all of you have completely fucking ignored.

THERE IS NOBODY ELSE BUT TRUMP THAT'S BEEN DOING IT!!!

Nobody ever works for him for very long and you'd be hard pressed to ever prove that any of them were really aware of what the master plan was from the outset.

Merciful fucking Christ. READ!!!