Large ovules that crackle. Never ending mystery

[danjac82]

ive posted about this probably a dozen times in different forums and nobody seems to know the cause of larger than normal ovules. Hell, a lot of people have never heard of such an issue. Seems I’m quite good at producing plants with large ovules inside all of the brachts that effect taste and often crackle a bit. The ovules are green in younger brachts and eventually shrink just the tiniest bit and are brown, gray kind of color in older swoll brachts. Not seeds for sure. There’s a difference. Pictures are of newer ovule and older ovule. If you break up a gram of this bud and look around, you can gather a hundred of these things. Has happened to all plants of all 7 strains last three grows. Never had the issue when using regular brick weed seeds. Issue started and has persisted since ordering seeds from breeders. Fems

 

[danjac82]

Somebody out there..hellooooo. Helloooo. Lol. You..I’m talking to you..the guy who’s had this problem and solved it. Do you exist and why do you hide so good? All the growers and all the years of experience in this forum and everybody is scratching their heads. Someone has dealt with this and defeated it. I will find you, you elusive son of a bitch

 

[danjac82]

About to have to just take a shot in the dark and toss out a message in a bottle into the Atlantic. I’d have as good of a chance of solving the problem that way. No knock on anyone in the forums. It’s my issue to deal with. Just really is a topic that there is zero solution to be found on the internet. Literally no literature on it and no sign of victory in sight. Crackles for life? Seems my fate.

 

[Observe & Report]

Issue started and has persisted since ordering seeds from breeders. Fems

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Right?

If it was caused by feminized seeds we'd see people complaining about it in the fem vendor threads. I've never had these in any buds I've grown and I love feminized seeds. I've only encoutered them in a sack I bought from a dispensary, Ace of Spades grown by Subcool.

Therefore, I can conclude that hard ovules is caused by organic supersoil, amiright?

 

[eyderbuddy]

ive seen them and noticed them... tbh they didn't bother me. Looks very natural

 

[Observe & Report]

Just found a couple in some Red Eyed Tree Spirit I'm vaping. Pinesoul x Loctite. Regs. It's probably normal to have some and I don't know what causes them to be high in number, large, hard, etc...

mm scale

 

[danjac82]

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Right?

If it was caused by feminized seeds we'd see people complaining about it in the fem vendor threads. I've never had these in any buds I've grown and I love feminized seeds. I've only encoutered them in a sack I bought from a dispensary, Ace of Spades grown by Subcool.

Therefore, I can conclude that hard ovules is caused by organic supersoil, amiright?

I never came to a conclusion. I don’t use a “super soil”

 

[danjac82]

But

ive seen them and noticed them... tbh they didn't bother me. Looks very natural

but did they crackle at all or effect taste?

 

[Warpedpassage]

I cant contribute much but to point out this phenomenon has nothing to do with fem seeds. I have encountered this number of times with plants from non feminized beans.

 

[NwGKenny]

Those are immature seeds my dude, and yes there will be thousands of them in every bud you break open.

A grower friend of mine had this happen to his room when he had a banana plant hiding somewhere.

 

[danjac82]

Those are immature seeds my dude, and yes there will be thousands of them in every bud you break open.

A grower friend of mine had this happen to his room when he had a banana plant hiding somewhere.

, no they’re not seeds. I’ve been doing this for almost two years with these plants. They never grow in size and are present from the beginning of flower all the way til harvest. If you’ve ever saw how a seed develops, you’d know these aren’t seeds. Truly, I wish they were. You don’t get a seed in literally every single bracht from the beginning to end of flowering without producing a real seed. Doesn’t happen. I can take one out of a preflowers at beginning of flower and it crackles.

 

[Warpedpassage]

Those are immature seeds my dude, and yes there will be thousands of them in every bud you break open.

A grower friend of mine had this happen to his room when he had a banana plant hiding somewhere.

Hey brother, i dont think its as simple as them being premature seeds. . They are totally dark. I have had premie seeds before and they are nothing like this issue. But i agree , i suspect rogue mutant pollen. Its as if the the seed in the calyx begins to develop, but stops at the micropyle pictured below.
Edit: i meant to say stops developing at style , not micropyle.

 

[danjac82]

Thi

Those are immature seeds my dude, and yes there will be thousands of them in every bud you break open.

A grower friend of mine had this happen to his room when he had a banana plant hiding somewhere.

think about it man. I’ve let males pollinate plants...lots of balls and pollen flying around and never got anywhere even remotely close to having literally every last bit of bud..every single calyx have a seed in it. Takes a hell of a lot of pollen and time to literally pollinate every set of pistils. Think about it man. Lol. I’ve dealt with bananas and you may get a seed here and there. You don’t pollinate an entire roo,..literally every single calyx of every plant with a hidden banana. DOesnt happen bro. I wish

 

[danjac82]

The ovules are

Hey brother, i dont think its as simple as them being premature seeds. . They are totally dark. I have had premie seeds before and they are nothing like this issue. But i agree , i suspect rogue mutant pollen. Its as if the the seed in the calyx begins to develop, but stops at the micropyle pictured below.

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thanks man. The ovules are enlarged in my plants from beginning of flower all the way til end. Literally every single bracht will have one from preflower to harvest. Think about how much pollen it would take to literally put an immature seed inside every bracht. Literally every single bracht. Bro, that’s a serious pollen issue..im talking balls and bananas from top to bottom covering plants. This is not happening. The ovules will crackle if I take them out of a plant 2 weeks into flower or 10 weeks.

 

[Warpedpassage]

Thi

think about it man. I’ve let males pollinate plants...lots of balls and pollen flying around and never got anywhere even remotely close to having literally every last bit of bud..every single calyx have a seed in it. Takes a hell of a lot of pollen and time to literally pollinate every set of pistils. Think about it man. Lol. I’ve dealt with bananas and you may get a seed here and there. You don’t pollinate an entire roo,..literally every single calyx of every plant with a hidden banana. DOesnt happen bro. I wish

Thats why i too have a hard time believing its pollen. But just not sure.

 

[danjac82]

Bro,

Thats why i too have a hard time believing its pollen. But just not sure.[/QUOT..i understand for sure man. I too thought it was seeds for a few crops. But it doesn’t add up when you check plants like a maniac for balls and bananas and find none. You know. To have them present in the very first preflowers and 10 weeks later..no seed. I’ve been inspecting these things for a long time. I’ll ship a bracht off plant,mcutnit open and look. It’s reallu just the ovules. When an ovule is pollinated, calyx/bracht swells..pistils recede. These things will be present when it’s clear there are no signs of pollination or balls/bananas in room. No early calyx swell or pistol color change or anything. I’ve saw people do seed runs with several males plants blowing pollen all,over a grow as small as mine...and nothing like this. Not a seed in every calyx. Not even close. Heavily seeded but not close. Bananas pollen tends to not be as fertile either. Either way, I don’t get bananas or balls to explain away what would be considered a very successful super heavy duty pollination that it would take to produce so many tiny seeds. I know where you’re coming from. I used to think the same.

 

[danjac82]

Thats why i too have a hard time believing its pollen. But just not sure.

Crackle crackle. Lol. These will be present when no early calyx swell, no stripe across calyx to indicate pollination..no pistils turning color early. They’re just there. Even if preflowers..they start big and don’t shrink down like they should. Usually they end more of a whitish Grey and smaller..softer. People don’t notice them. Look hard enough and they’re there inside every single bracht. Break up a bud and check. Ovule Party all day. Lol. Just not big like mine

 

[danjac82]

I’ve become somewhat obsessed with this and break up all bud I get to very fine dust so that I can search out the ovules. They’re present and visible in all bud no matter where you get it..every single bracht..it’s just that they’re small enough to not effect things

 

[danjac82]

Immature seed will be lighter whitish, very rapidly growing in size and turning darker with time. These go from green to darker immediately and shrink as they darken. Complete opposite of what a seed does

 

[danjac82]

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I cant contribute much but to point out this phenomenon has nothing to do with fem seeds. I have encountered this number of times with plants from non feminized beans.

jjst saw your comment about fems. I suspect that it actually does have to do with them being fems but I could Be wrong. The majority of other guys who’ve had the issue that I’ve talked to had them from fems. Subcool was even saying in a forum that fem plants can cause “microseeds” and this is why he refused to do fems. I firmly believe he meant the ovules when he said micro seeds. It’s what I described the ovules as at first until I realized they were ovules. I feel that because a fem seed came to existance without a Y chromosome involved in pollination, the plant knows thins and makes immediate adjustments by instilling genetic predisposition for larger ovules in its offspring. Larger ovules means more fertility and more fertility boosts chances of catching and making a seed with the good male pollen. The plants want the male pollen. Seems it’s just what’s more natural or preferred for whatever reason. I mean the plant obviously doesn’t think, but nature has a smart way of going about its business. I believe there’s is another factor involved that is bringing out this large ovule trait that they’re predisposed to having because of the fem process. The factor could be my tap water. I highly suspect it. Never a crackling ovule in my grows until the day I ordered fems. All fems and all ovules since. Going back to regular seeds now