Sandernista
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TRUMP THANKS YOU.
Attention all Bernie Sanders supporters
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Fogdog
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Dude,
That Amazon thing was a PR stunt done outside of his day job. Senators are some of the most powerful people in the world. They have the ability to affect the lives of tens of millions of people and Bernie has done NOTHING of importance in his role as US Senator. He should do his day job first then go ahead and moonlight as a social activist, not the other way around. Instead he writes a half-assed bill, proclaims it revolutionary and then chivvies Amazon as if improving wages for its workers were the most important thing Senator Bernie Sanders could do for America. Hey, I'm glad they can afford a better grade of toilet paper now that they got a raise but that's peanuts compared to what he could be doing in the Senate.
I'm not even going to reply about your crying Hillary. Hillary isn't in public office but Bernie is. He should get the fuck to work instead of hanging out at Starbucks or wherever it is he's playing social activist.
What you want is irrelevant if what you choose to work on is impossible. Sure dream on about universal healthcare coverage, tuition free college, a living minimum wage, 70% taxes on the rich to pay for everything. None of that is possible so long as Republicans are in control of government and this is my biggest gripe with Cult of Sanders. They keep harping on Democrats as if they were the ones that are in the way. Day in and day out it's rag, rag, rag on Democrats as if there were no opposition by Republicans . That kind of shit gives the false impression that nobody in the Democratic party is working to help people. Yet, as you said, you were greatly helped by the ACA -- a program that was created and later on saved by staunch and solidly Democratic Party action. You might not have noticed, but Obama oversaw one of the largest growth in jobs over an 8 year term ever -- 16 million jobs. But no, you talk about Monsanto guy, so rag, rag, rag on Democrats. That kind of shit is actually propaganda that is said by the right in order to suppress votes for the Democratic Party.
We agree on overall direction and I'm fine with dreaming about what could better but man, pick the right target for your disagreements.
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ttystikk
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You mean the ones you spend day after day shitting on?
Liberal isn't Left. Socialist is Left. I know you are a bit fuzzy with the vocabulary but do try and keep up.
ttystikk
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Hold your friendly neighborhood corporatist Democrats accountable.
They don't have any right to anyone's vote. The sooner the figured that out, the better off they'll be.
Fogdog
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Begs the question.
You and other Cult of Sanders keep saying that Trump won because Democrats weren't far enough left. So I ask,
Where is there evidence of some untapped huge wellspring of here-to-fore non-voting leftist socialists who prefer right wing Republicans because Democrats aren't far enough left?
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Sandernista
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VOTE BERNIE OR WE GIVE YOU TRUMP!!!
Justin-case
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Are all corporations evil? Ben and Jerry's donates to Democrats. Are they part of some secret ice mafia with an agenda? What if I incorporate my small business? Does that make me corporate scum?
Unclebaldrick
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OPfarmer
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The top 1% has more wealth than the bottom 90%.
Are you Bernie bashers the least bit alarmed with the concentration of wealth and income inequality?
Answer the question Bernie bashers!
Sincerely OP Farmer
Sole Proprietor of multiple small businesses for multiple decades.
Fogdog
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We are well aware of the problem.
We are working to increase Democratic Party representation so we can do something about it.
Bernie is an Independent. He's done nothing as a Senator. During the "unity party tour" with leading Democrats in 2017, all he did was shit on Democrats. Very divisive and unhelpful.
OPfarmer
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Thanks for being calm. I gotta work on that.
Recall, the last thing in the Republican establishment wanted was Donald Trump! The Party is still in shambles.
It may not be as severe, but the Democratic party is in the same state of disarray. Bernie is/was a symptom to a deeper problem. But not the actual problem persay.
The establishment in both parties screwed up in 2016 IMHO.
For that matter the establishment leadership in many countries is in a disarray. Brittian, Germany, France on and on.
I am of the opinion that this problem is pandemic. Soul searching is in order.
Fogdog
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While you are studying your navel, it would be appreciated if you'd include some thought into finding a candidate who shows the ability to get shit done.
I think part of the problem is people on both extremes of the political spectrum have no concept of how to work through our differences. Most of the people who vote for Democrats -- and that means the majority of voters -- are center left in their outlook. Just saying, what you want is not going to happen until sentiment shifts farther left. I think it will happen but not right away.
Meanwhile, are you aware that the 15 dollar minimum wage is mainstream among most Democrats serving in Congress? That universal access to healthcare is mainstream among Democrats serving in Congress? That campaingn finance reform is mainstream among Democrats serving in Congress? That defending and expanding Unions is mainstream among Democrats serving in Congress?
You might educate yourself before staring at that navel.
https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/
ttystikk
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ttystikk
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You keep supporting politicians who won't even address this problem, let alone solve it. You have no credibility on this issue.
ttystikk
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People around the world are running into the wall of austerity brought on by neoliberal policies. Either they turn Left, that's Socialist like the Yellow Vest protesters are fighting for, or they'll turn hard authoritarian Right, like in Hungary, Brazil- and America's Republicans.
ttystikk
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If $15/hr is so mainstream, why hasn't it been enacted?
The navel gazer is you. The rest of us are tired of Democrats who don't do anything for lower class paychecks yet give corporate donors whatever they want.
Fogdog
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Republicans block the 15 dollar minimum wage and all other progressive proposals. They wrote and are the reason the debt driven tax give-away of 2018 was passed.
Regarding Sandiers, I prefer politicians who are progressive liberals and get things done. Sanders talks a good democratic socialist game but how could one tell if he is? He hasn't actually passed any of that shit. Of course, Republicans would block it anyway but dude, he's had 12 years as a Senator and his major piece of legislation is renaming a post office.
Fogdog
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I think AOC is OK. Has she gotten anything done yet? It's too early to say she's just like Sanders but I will say she is hanging out with a ne'er do well.
OPfarmer
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Don't forget England!. BRITEX is epic, and IHMO rudimetally, the same phenomenon as Trump winning the presidency against all odds, with his MAGA, and drain the swamp campaign. Trump's wall a driving factor as immigration was for Brittish voters. ...
At the root? A sense of stagnant declining quality of life standards for the "blue collar" working class. I have to admit I am caught up in the sense of desperation. Like this Keynesian Monopoly game is about over. (Multinational corporate shareholders the winners. IE 1% holding 90% of the wealth)
Time to start a new game?
I suppose I feel bad for those that don't realize the game ended around the turn of the Millinia. Many are trying to cling to the "American dream" of a bygone era.
Well, seems like it's time to, heed some of Timothy Leary's words and::::
"Turn on, tune in and drop out"
Wake me up when my red lipstick wearing Wonder Woman, as the NEW GREEN DEAL on the table..
Till then have fun "working on it". (ya right?!)
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