Not getting fat :(

blake9999

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You not using any nutrients for it, just supliments. That could be your main problem. And that's quite small for a pot.
 

Wilksey

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Dual Mode 30W // equivalent of 100 watt hps
Genetics, environment, nutrition, in that order, is pretty much what's going to drive the development of a plant. We can't do shit about the genetics, but we can try to maximize the environment and nutrition to maximize the potential of each strain, and that's where you're failing.

I would suspect that your plant is simply growing in accordance with the environment you establish. That shitty 30W LED obviously doesn't have enough ass to power all the processes the plant needs to power for good growth. Shitcan that LED light for blooming, use it strictly for seedlings and clones, and get a real light that's capable of growing some vigorous healthy plants.

When it comes to light, think quantity and type. An LED light may have great PAR and meet the "type" requirement, but it may fail the shit out of the "quantity" requirement by being low wattage, like yours. Once you get a new light with the right type and quantity of light your plants need, you'll do fine.
 

blake9999

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Everyone, including myself, is switching to Mega Crop by Greenleaf Nutrients. They giving away free samples on their website for the cost of shipping ( only a few bucks).
 

reallybigjesusfreak

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Everyone, including myself, is switching to Mega Crop by Greenleaf Nutrients. They giving away free samples on their website for the cost of shipping ( only a few bucks).
from what are you switching, though? I can't imagine much is really going to rival the Nectar program I got going on.
 

Chevyroad245

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Everyone, including myself, is switching to Mega Crop by Greenleaf Nutrients. They giving away free samples on their website for the cost of shipping ( only a few bucks).
Okay thanks so pretty much I haven’t been using any nutrients just additives? So basically I have to get a main nutrients and use the other stuff is basically helping it. Correct
 

Chevyroad245

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So assuming it wouldn’t be to late but basically it would be late cause it’s almost coming to end in flowering and it’s not going to give me the result I should expect as if I did this from week one and if If you don’t mind could a list a few nutrients
 

blake9999

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from what are you switching, though? I can't imagine much is really going to rival the Nectar program I got going on.
You need to check out the GreenLeaf Nutrient thread under advertisers to see how great it's been working for others, plus you can't beat the price for a one-parter.
 

reallybigjesusfreak

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You need to check out the GreenLeaf Nutrient thread under advertisers to see how great it's been working for others, plus you can't beat the price for a one-parter.
You didnt answer my question. What were you using before you switched? I dont care how many parts a nutrient line has as long as I get the desired results.
 

Wilksey

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I have to get a main nutrients and use the other stuff is basically helping it.
No. It's not.

See: Liebig's law of the minimum

A plant can only use nutrients in a balanced ratio set by the lowest available nutrient.

Here's what happens 9 times out of 10. "Grower X" uses a balanced base nute during veg that keeps his plants green, growing, and happy. Then in flower, they switch to some stupid fucking unbalanced "bloom" nute that drops N and raises P and K. This dumb fucking "bloom" formula is then combined with a bunch of other "bloom booster" shit raising P and K levels even further, driving shit way further out of balance. The end result is that "Grower X" burns the shit out of the plants in flower with excess P and K, and by week 4-5, the plant starts to eat its fan and sun leaves because it's developing N, and other, deficiencies due to not being fed a balanced diet, which means the plant can't use everything it's provided due to the law of the minimum.

The bottom line is that nute companies make a killing by telling growers they need their 6 different bottles of bullshit to make good buds, and ignorant ass growers keep perpetuating this myth despite the fact that the evidence demonstrates the contrary.

Stick with a base nute and learn to grow before you start fucking around with "bloom boosters", as they're pretty much a waste of cash and do more harm than good. Don't believe me? Just look at some grow logs and you'll see an endless supply of burnt leaf tips and cannibalized leaves not even half way through a flower cycle, and yet the grower thinks he's doing great because the plant is actually producing flowers. I don't know about you, but I would rather have the flower produced from the plant that was healthy all the way through flower as opposed to being burnt, deprived, and produced through eating its own leaves to make and ripen bud.
 

Chevyroad245

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No. It's not.

See: Liebig's law of the minimum

A plant can only use nutrients in a balanced ratio set by the lowest available nutrient.

Here's what happens 9 times out of 10. "Grower X" uses a balanced base nute during veg that keeps his plants green, growing, and happy. Then in flower, they switch to some stupid fucking unbalanced "bloom" nute that drops N and raises P and K. This dumb fucking "bloom" formula is then combined with a bunch of other "bloom booster" shit raising P and K levels even further, driving shit way further out of balance. The end result is that "Grower X" burns the shit out of the plants in flower with excess P and K, and by week 4-5, the plant starts to eat its fan and sun leaves because it's developing N, and other, deficiencies due to not being fed a balanced diet, which means the plant can't use everything it's provided due to the law of the minimum.

The bottom line is that nute companies make a killing by telling growers they need their 6 different bottles of bullshit to make good buds, and ignorant ass growers keep perpetuating this myth despite the fact that the evidence demonstrates the contrary.

Stick with a base nute and learn to grow before you start fucking around with "bloom boosters", as they're pretty much a waste of cash and do more harm than good. Don't believe me? Just look at some grow logs and you'll see an endless supply of burnt leaf tips and cannibalized leaves not even half way through a flower cycle, and yet the grower thinks he's doing great because the plant is actually producing flowers. I don't know about you, but I would rather have the flower produced from the plant that was healthy all the way through flower as opposed to being burnt, deprived, and produced through eating its own leaves to make and ripen bud.
So what are some bas nutrients I can use ?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i grow in either coco or promix. i use calcium nitrate, epsom salts, and jack's 20-20-20 in veg, and the same thing in flower, with jack's citrus(20-10-20) instead of the 20-20-20. during veg i'll use 100 ppm of calcium nitrate, 50 ppm of epsom salt, and 150 ppm of jacks. during flower i use veg food at slightly stronger strength till they stop stretching, then switch to 50 ppm calcium nitrate, 100 ppm epsom salts, and 350-450 ppm of jacks, depending on how hungry the plant seems. i slowly drop that down till the whole thing is 200 ppm by the time they finish. i have some blossom booster (10-30-20) but i'm having a hard time figuring out exactly when to use it to best effect, if at all. getting better results with no pk boost than i am with it
 
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