What? You are saying only some of the radiated light is converted to heat? What happens to the rest of the energy in the radiated light? What is the "something else" you refer to?
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Can a light get too efficient
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I'm bored, can't help it.Fubard didn't get the memo.
You think light and heat are the only forms of energy?
Roger A. Shrubber
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no, the amount of light produced is irrelevant, its the amount of energy consumed. that has to turn into something. it turns into heat and light. the light eventually is all absorbed by material in and around your grow area, and turned into heat. it all evens out in the end, you just aren't looking far enough down the road.
Roger A. Shrubber
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they're the only kind we're concerned about here.
Rubbish, as has been stated more than once.
How many other forms are there?
Plants and microorganisms don't turn light into heat, do they.
Come on, there's a clue for you.
Roger A. Shrubber
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look, everyone is just chasing the original point around in circles.
the original question was can a light be too efficient, and the answer is, it depends on your goal. if you want to use it in a real world application where heat is a concern, then depending on your environment, yes, its possible to be too efficient, if you need the heat from that light to help maintain good conditions.
if you're trying to get the most par light possible at the lowest energy use, then obviously, no, a light can never be efficient enough.
all the rest of this is just people arguing their opinions.
it's been fairly well accepted that leds produce the same amount of heat at the same wattage, but it's not the same type of heat, and is easier to deal with in general.
you can argue anything else you want to, but those facts remain, and if you can't accept it, then you're never going to get how it works.
because Fu, you're wrong, and it's going to take an epiphany for you to get it.
the original question was can a light be too efficient, and the answer is, it depends on your goal. if you want to use it in a real world application where heat is a concern, then depending on your environment, yes, its possible to be too efficient, if you need the heat from that light to help maintain good conditions.
if you're trying to get the most par light possible at the lowest energy use, then obviously, no, a light can never be efficient enough.
all the rest of this is just people arguing their opinions.
it's been fairly well accepted that leds produce the same amount of heat at the same wattage, but it's not the same type of heat, and is easier to deal with in general.
you can argue anything else you want to, but those facts remain, and if you can't accept it, then you're never going to get how it works.
because Fu, you're wrong, and it's going to take an epiphany for you to get it.
So you're right and the rest of the world is wrong because you ignore the laws of conservation of energy?
Uncle Reefer
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ANC
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10 degrees is all the difference it takes between nice and toasty and toast.
SSGrower
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Yes it ultimately is.
This is why I keep saying the univers is cooling. It is the only way I can think of wording it simply.
We should not be concerned with the concept of "cooling" the grow envirnment. We are only managing heat, and air conditioner is not a cooler it is a heater.
So, your answer to a question is another question?
Let's be specific and not talk in riddles and clues.
Can you or can you not tell us what the other form of energy is that you refer to?
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None of what you said makes him wrong in any way.
NanoGadget
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That's why the first sentence I wrote explicitly states that what he said was true.
NanoGadget
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I've been agreeing with him the entire time. My point is that in real world application it isn't that simple. Which he agreed with explicitly.