choomer
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Wow...Finally a post worth thinking about.
Brings to mind another thread where someone posted a quote of a dubious (and consequentially disproven) statistic from an otherwise inspiring story about Christian Picciolini named Rejecting hate, after spending nearly a decade spreading it.
Guy used to be a white supremacist and now lectures internationally about his past and is sought for his counseling of youth in "the movement" to break them free of such thinking.
It never would have happened if people hadn't seen him as an individual and spoke with him.
topic individual and not the "group think".
What you can do is talk to them, not shout your agenda over them or label and deride them.
Do what you can, where you can, with the people you meet. That's all anyone can do and you might make the difference in an individuals life that later helps them makes decisions that could affect a great number of people.
Hitler proved today's troubled youth can become tomorrows world leader and don't you wish someone could have talked to him other than those that helped form the thinking that led to his atrocities?
Check out a movie called Max.
The dangerous part about this type of reasonable exchange is there is always the possibility they might change your mind.
Thanks for that. You should post more often.
A very valid point as long as you're interested in addressing groups only. I prefer to talk to people regardless of what classification another might impose upon them because that classification can become a barrier to my understanding of that person. If i let that happen there is no reason for me to talk to that person and change their mind.That's an interesting point. How would you suggest one should differentiate between these different groups in a less divisive sort of way in order to identify them without actually offending them or sullying the dialogue? This question goes for right wing groups as well
Brings to mind another thread where someone posted a quote of a dubious (and consequentially disproven) statistic from an otherwise inspiring story about Christian Picciolini named Rejecting hate, after spending nearly a decade spreading it.
Guy used to be a white supremacist and now lectures internationally about his past and is sought for his counseling of youth in "the movement" to break them free of such thinking.
It never would have happened if people hadn't seen him as an individual and spoke with him.
"Christian Picciolini: The truth is, I'd never met or had a meaningful dialogue or engagement with anybody that I thought I hated. And when they took the step to try and reach me, the demonization of them that I had in my head started to crack."
Deal with the Only if we discard wanting to control others can we take politics out of the equation. That's all politics is good for.How do we take politics out of the equation when discussing things of political nature?
You never will change everyone, ever.I agree. The tactic of divide and conquer is used very effectively in American politics. But how do we get people with completely opposing political beliefs to have a civil dialogue discussing them without resorting to attacks? I think RIU is a perfect example of how this simply can't be done. Sometimes we have to offend people. Sometimes, people have to get offended. How could someone pro-life and I, someone adamantly pro-choice, reach a compromise between the two positions? Is that one of those live and let live sort of situations?
What you can do is talk to them, not shout your agenda over them or label and deride them.
Do what you can, where you can, with the people you meet. That's all anyone can do and you might make the difference in an individuals life that later helps them makes decisions that could affect a great number of people.
Hitler proved today's troubled youth can become tomorrows world leader and don't you wish someone could have talked to him other than those that helped form the thinking that led to his atrocities?
Check out a movie called Max.
By bringing up the point that (in that exact situation), If you don't think about it now, you probably never will and it would be a shame for you to die with regret for not having done so. If you still feel the same after talking there is nothing more that I can do other than know I will NOT die having the regret of not trying. I will have to accept that it is a subject on which we will never agree but should you have questions later on I'll still talk with you about it.Again, I agree, but I don't know how to change it. I've tried many times, each time approaching with a completely different tactic, each time being defeated by anger and ignorance. Someone like my dad is just so entrenched in his beliefs, that anytime anyone makes a valid point against them, he just gets pissed off to the point that it ends the entire conversation. "You spend too much time reading about all this shit.. I don't have time for that.". How could you even begin to combat that?
The dangerous part about this type of reasonable exchange is there is always the possibility they might change your mind.
Thanks for that. You should post more often.
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