Chunkys dirt pile

Chunky Stool

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I recycle my dirt and recently added a second pile for dirt that's aged longer. Basically I pull the root ball out of the pot, then pulverize it with a little hoe that looks like a hatchet. Big roots get yanked out. Worms will eat the remaining roots or they will rot & become humus. Either way, there's lots of time for mother nature to do her thing. I've got a buddy who grows & doesn't like dealing with used dirt, so he gives it to me. I've used the excess in my vegetable garden with great success.
Anyoo... the point of this thread is to get ideas for the best way to amend recycled soil. I've got 2 piles: new & cooked. My buddy & I are on the same schedule so the new pile gets about 30 cu ft of fresh stuff every 10 weeks or so. Right now there's nothing on the cooked pile because I just added it.
Lately I've been adding a little crab & biochar to the tub, then mix & dump on the "new" pile. I occasionally throw in little kelp, oyster shell flour, fish bone, neem, or alfalfa. Whatever's handy at the time. I've been conservative in an effort to not make it too hot or screw up the PH.
This isn't scientific, and could lead to problems when I try to use it next year in my potted plants.
Both piles are open to the elements, which means it will get soaked to the max during fall & winter. Because of this, I don't worry about leftover salts from previous grows. All of that will wash away & go right to a row of evergreens. This is also why I don't add more soluble things like guano or blood meal.
How would you amend used soil with a 2 pile system? Right now I only add nutes to fresh dirt because it seemed like the best time to mix (small batches). But I could do it when dirt pile 1 is moved to pile 2.
I've also got some compost from a local farm. It's fresh (still warm) with lots of twigs. They do a good job blending it so it breaks down at a steady rate over a long period of time. I've also got a worm bin and have a few tubs of castings that I can throw on the pile. I let my castings age a little after pulling them out of the bin because there's always a few residual food bits. It also gives any insects time to leave or starve after the food is consumed.
I could add compost or castings at any time. I've also got just about every organic amendment that Down-to-Earth makes.

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(@Gary Goodson @Indacouch -- Didn't you guys just do this with FFOF?)
 

Gary Goodson

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That was @Indacouch that recycled his FFOF. I normally use Roots Organic as my base. I like that I don’t have to add any extra perlite to it, like with FFOF. But what you’re doing sounds good. I don’t go off a specific recipe either. And I also have a lot of down to earth products as well. So they get thrown in whenever I recycle.


I don’t mind adding the amendments, but a good amount of compost and ecw is what will keep your plants happy and healthy. And you seem to be doing that already;)
 

Indacouch

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Yes I did a trial run reusing ffof soil ....DTE products EWC and a bit of lime .....turned out awesome....several more successful runs like that and no more $$$$ for new soil ...... @Gary Goodson I tried the RO 707 this year as well ....I won't be buying ffof anymore tbh....I use to be a huge FFOF fan ...but the last few years have been shit as far as ffof ....between the firewood huge rocks and having to add lime ....I'm good ....707 did awesome...and I get a better deal on it from the shop .... Wien Wien
 

Chunky Stool

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Yes I did a trial run reusing ffof soil ....DTE products EWC and a bit of lime .....turned out awesome....several more successful runs like that and no more $$$$ for new soil ...... @Gary Goodson I tried the RO 707 this year as well ....I won't be buying ffof anymore tbh....I use to be a huge FFOF fan ...but the last few years have been shit as far as ffof ....between the firewood huge rocks and having to add lime ....I'm good ....707 did awesome...and I get a better deal on it from the shop .... Wien Wien
Yeah FFOF has worked well for me but quality has gone downhill the last couple of years. Lots of scrap & gravel.
I love Roots Organics products and will definitely try 707. If my dirt recycling works out, I won't be buying any for a while... :cool:
The last outdoor crop was all recycled soil, but it got depleted early.
I made a *lot* of nutrient tea this year... :?
 

Indacouch

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Yeah FFOF has worked well for me but quality has gone downhill the last couple of years. Lots of scrap & gravel.
I love Roots Organics products and will definitely try 707. If my dirt recycling works out, I won't be buying any for a while... :cool:
The last outdoor crop was all recycled soil, but it got depleted early.
I made a *lot* of nutrient tea this year... :?
I got lucky .....minimal food added and the plants did awesome ....you seen baby Gary ....fuckin loaded with coke bottle buds .....same with the sisters in the same mix ....now if I can replicate that il be stoked ....
 

Chunky Stool

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I got lucky .....minimal food added and the plants did awesome ....you seen baby Gary ....fuckin loaded with coke bottle buds .....same with the sisters in the same mix ....now if I can replicate that il be stoked ....
Baby Gary kicked some serious butt!
Did you use fish bone meal? I like guano but it doesn't last very long.
Plants also seem to really dig crab meal. Not sure why. Maybe it's the chitin, because they love bat guano too... :weed:
 

Indacouch

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Baby Gary kicked some serious butt!
Did you use fish bone meal? I like guano but it doesn't last very long.
Plants also seem to really dig crab meal. Not sure why. Maybe it's the chitin, because they love bat guano too... :weed:
Yes EWC,Crab,bio fish,bat guano and the alfalfa mix as well ...and another I can't think of ATM ....all DTE products except the lime and EWC obviously ....
 

too larry

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I'm going to reuse my soil that is in pots out in the bush for my fall/winter crop. I use about a third mushroom compost, so not organic, but I do it on the cheap. When amping up old soil, I like to add coffee ground compost, as well as the usual chicken shit compost, lime, epson, and what not.

There are lots of big worms in the pots, so not too worried about reusing the soil.
 

Richard Drysift

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I recycle my dirt and recently added a second pile for dirt that's aged longer. Basically I pull the root ball out of the pot, then pulverize it with a little hoe that looks like a hatchet. Big roots get yanked out. Worms will eat the remaining roots or they will rot & become humus. Either way, there's lots of time for mother nature to do her thing. I've got a buddy who grows & doesn't like dealing with used dirt, so he gives it to me. I've used the excess in my vegetable garden with great success.
Anyoo... the point of this thread is to get ideas for the best way to amend recycled soil. I've got 2 piles: new & cooked. My buddy & I are on the same schedule so the new pile gets about 30 cu ft of fresh stuff every 10 weeks or so. Right now there's nothing on the cooked pile because I just added it.
Lately I've been adding a little crab & biochar to the tub, then mix & dump on the "new" pile. I occasionally throw in little kelp, oyster shell flour, fish bone, neem, or alfalfa. Whatever's handy at the time. I've been conservative in an effort to not make it too hot or screw up the PH.
This isn't scientific, and could lead to problems when I try to use it next year in my potted plants.
Both piles are open to the elements, which means it will get soaked to the max during fall & winter. Because of this, I don't worry about leftover salts from previous grows. All of that will wash away & go right to a row of evergreens. This is also why I don't add more soluble things like guano or blood meal.
How would you amend used soil with a 2 pile system? Right now I only add nutes to fresh dirt because it seemed like the best time to mix (small batches). But I could do it when dirt pile 1 is moved to pile 2.
I've also got some compost from a local farm. It's fresh (still warm) with lots of twigs. They do a good job blending it so it breaks down at a steady rate over a long period of time. I've also got a worm bin and have a few tubs of castings that I can throw on the pile. I let my castings age a little after pulling them out of the bin because there's always a few residual food bits. It also gives any insects time to leave or starve after the food is consumed.
I could add compost or castings at any time. I've also got just about every organic amendment that Down-to-Earth makes.

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(@Gary Goodson @Indacouch -- Didn't you guys just do this with FFOF?)
I am doing things very much the same as you guys are. I started with FFOF and sunshine mix #4 and just kept recycling it over & over. Only thing is my soil bins are indoors out of the elements. Using a slightly different amendment recipe too but very similar recycling methods. I think it's always good to have 2 piles/bins: one for soil that's amended and cooking and one for used soil that is hydrated only and very little else added in. I add EWC to both bins when I harvest castings about every 2-3 weeks but I like keeping some unamended soil for clones and seedlings. Plus I can add some coco coir and use it for worm bedding. Believe me I've gotten real sloppy with amendments and throw handfuls of stuff in my bin with seemingly no detriment to plants. You certainly do not need to be deadly accurate just throw it all in there are let it set. IMO it's better to add a little bit of everything than a whole lot of just a few things. Diversity is more important than ratios.
Recently I find my mix has become so rich from years of recycling that I can literally scoop out the old stalk after a harvest and plug in another plant for bloom phase. No til style. I just top dress with EWC and some kelp and mulch it.
 

Wetdog

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Chunky, a couple things I've found helpful:

Comfrey leaves; about 5-6" of soil, a layer of comfrey leaves and keep repeating.
I'm guessing you have a comfrey patch since you have soil garden. If not, start one. Comfrey also makes superior worm food.

Alfalfa Cubes; Basically alfalfa hay formed into 2" cubes and cheaper than an actual bale. Just easy to place in the soil pile, especially when moving one to the other. Nice little shots of alfalfa without heating everything up too much. Works well with, or in place of the comfrey layers.
 

Fastslappy

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Chunky, a couple things I've found helpful:

Comfrey leaves; about 5-6" of soil, a layer of comfrey leaves and keep repeating.
I'm guessing you have a comfrey patch since you have soil garden. If not, start one. Comfrey also makes superior worm food.

Alfalfa Cubes; Basically alfalfa hay formed into 2" cubes and cheaper than an actual bale. Just easy to place in the soil pile, especially when moving one to the other. Nice little shots of alfalfa without heating everything up too much. Works well with, or in place of the comfrey layers.
I use alfalfa pellets
 

Wetdog

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I use alfalfa pellets
As do I. There's a 50lb bag in the back of the truck as I type.

The cubes are for like a 'alfalfa Lite' application, when "A little dab will do ya".. Not even a reamend but a light bump for used mix, Sometimes, a few added when I'm making worm bedding. A 50lb bag lasted 3 years+. The pellets are gone much faster.
 

Chunky Stool

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As do I. There's a 50lb bag in the back of the truck as I type.

The cubes are for like a 'alfalfa Lite' application, when "A little dab will do ya".. Not even a reamend but a light bump for used mix, Sometimes, a few added when I'm making worm bedding. A 50lb bag lasted 3 years+. The pellets are gone much faster.
Yep, I loves me some alfalfa. My 30 lb bag is almost gone. I usually add it to my outdoor garden in Feb. Takes a while to cook...
 

Fastslappy

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As do I. There's a 50lb bag in the back of the truck as I type.

The cubes are for like a 'alfalfa Lite' application, when "A little dab will do ya".. Not even a reamend but a light bump for used mix, Sometimes, a few added when I'm making worm bedding. A 50lb bag lasted 3 years+. The pellets are gone much faster.
Pellets r dense so a little goes a long way, I prefer t wet em
 
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