I'm not disappointed in Sanders because I never wanted him to be something he isn't.
No, that's just you trying to pidgeonhole me into arguing a certain way so that it is something you are capable of comprehending. I'm criticizing Bernard because he is the worst politician in the entire US system right now. His actual function is to sheepdog idiots like you into a group in order to think a certain way and be offended by anyone who doesn't. That's why you spend all day here spamming thread after ridiculous thread and getting rickrolled by the rest of us with only your racist buddies agreeing with you.
The party is moving in the direction you want. You want to bash them because they aren't moving fast enough?
The other two here, for starters. At least they're in good company.
Which would align with tty's view about the respective party establishments. Still, I'm not sure the theory really holds water, unless it has been a really long game. Bernie has been trying to distance himself from Democrats for decades, even as he moved closer to the center ideologically. Maybe he saw this as a political opportunity, either for fame/money or platform to put his ideas out there, but most likely a mixture of reasons. Do you think there is conspiracy between Bernie and Democrats, or do you think it was happenstance that may have pushed the party slightly left but ultimately brought leftists to vote for Clinton?
I mean, it seems like his view is that Bernard can do no wrong. I'm convinced that Bernard never had any intention of coming close to winning anything, which is why he tried to swear off super pacs. It wasn't because of any moral principal. If he could gain in the process while becoming some kind of glorious symbol, all the better for such an old shit stain ready to retire after a career in politics (never having done any other kind of work).
He wrote disgusting rape obsessed erotic fiction before...so that's something.
seriously?
So he just sold out his life's work for fame? I think that is possible but not sure if it's tototally logical or desirable, especially from his perspective, unless maybe he has some motive like money trouble? Why arguably help the Democratic establishment? Then there are those that would argue Sanders further muddied the water for people deciding between Trump and Hillary. Did most Sanders supporters vote Hillary in the election? Personally, I think Sanders could partially be to blame for Clinton's loss.
Everything in DC is about who owes who favors. Maybe not to the extreme depicted in House of Cards, but not completely unlike that. It just didn't go the way they expected. They didn't expect him to become such a symbol to his mindless followers. I have argued all along he is to blame, since he caused the split in the party at such an inopportune time.
Not an implausible theory (the sheepdog gone wrong bit), but the evidence so far seems circumstantial. I anecdotally agree that Bernie split the party. Anti-establishment rhetoric worked to the favor of "outsider" Trump. Even though Trump was an obvious establishment insider feigning progressive/populist ideology, most Breitbart readers aren't smart enough to understand that, and they all vote evidently.
Clinton is not running and they aren't shills for pointing out the whiff of racism coming from berners.
I've always felt that it was Clinton's job to convince Berners to vote for her. I also think that 30 years of propaganda swung this election, not Bernie. He was a factor but not much, given the wall of bad press given Clinton for such a long time.
Agree, and I don't understand how anyone could support Bernie's platform and then choose Republican over Democrat as the more similar platform. The Democratic party has become increasingly progressive since Obama, and was already pretty progressive for decades.
Bernard seems to have massive appeal among this alt-left type (read: idiots) and so I think a lot of them organized themselves into some kind of resistance against the DNC on their own. A lot of people just kind of cherry picked facts, believed certain fake stories without checking at face value or ignored certain facts that contradicted their narrative. People really wanted a left populist and clung to rhetoric such as "If I ever tell you who to vote for, don't listen". He set himself up from the beginning to fold to Clinton but he also hoped to take some glory for himself. I think he wanted that radical legacy and to be able to say he moved the party left before he retired.
so hillary clinton just panders to black people and they saw through it, then decided to vote for her in overwhelming numbers anyway.
bernie voted for that bill.
