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[Logan Burke]

Thanks brother! Hands down, Great White sports the longest list of ingredients on its label. I have a feeling that if used alone, it would out perform any other stand alones or concoctions. I will do a side by side of 3 or 4 different brands next run.
Have you heard of Mammoth P? It's a microbial additive that is supposed to break down phosphorus in order to make it more available to your plants..they claim a 30% yield increase..you know how that goes! It is too pricey for my blood, also I don't think it offers any root zone protection. I would be interested in doing a side by side with that stuff for sure. With bennies, unless you have a good microscope and know what the heck you are looking for, you really just have to trust they are doing their job or not fighting over the same space. As long as I have healthy roots I don't really care

Yeah I understand! Yes I have heard mentions of a "Mammoth P" microbial product, and that it was expensive...it sounds to me like it operates at a different plain of root life, not really eating other microbes/organics. I wonder if Mammoth's purpose may be orientated towards fighting that notorious phosphorous build-up, as P is the worst for building up when using chemical nutes and not organics. But that is just me guessing at it's purpose and function lol. Can't wait to see any trials you do, I'm sure they'll provide insight!

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Alright guys, need the K.I.S.S. Bloom Booster Input to finish up my Amnesia Auto Original, DWC-SCROG. Raising her right... 6g per gal Maxiblom- Cal/Mag -Hydroguard-MP and Silica Blast. Done well with other grows no pushing the Boosters. Have some time till finish. 6/20 Give me a couple NO BULLCHIT add ins to look into. THANKS!

 

[Logan Burke]

What exactly is it you're looking to do?...Additives to help with yield and potency, or?....By MP do you mean Mammoth P? I've never used Maxibloom; I did use GH Liquid and Powder KoolBloom though. Honestly it sounds like you've got about everything you need, maybe add some great white if you want a more vast array of bennies....you're correct not to push the P-K boosters...they are great in small doses, bad in big doses...definitely right on that one.

 

[Jypsy Dog]

What exactly is it you're looking to do?...Additives to help with yield and potency, or?....By MP do you mean Mammoth P? I've never used Maxibloom; I did use GH Liquid and Powder KoolBloom though. Honestly it sounds like you've got about everything you need, maybe add some great white if you want a more vast array of bennies....you're correct not to push the P-K boosters...they are great in small doses, bad in big doses...definitely right on that one.

Just looking at the finish line... I'm not one to believe in the BIG Push on boosters. Past grows with Lucas Formula, I add some Alaska Fish Moorbloom. Wondered if there are other straight forwards,

 

[Logan Burke]

To be honest I'm not sure of any additives or supplements that would boost your yield anymore than the products you have now. I mean, I could recommend some, but I doubt they'll give your plant anything it doesn't already have...sometimes it can be hard to keep it simple. Florakleen is a good product for flush, not needed, but is good. Until then, idk how compatible KoolBloom powder is with Maxibloom, but but it is good for the ripening stage and making the buds swell and produce an extra surge of trichomes...but I don't want to give bad advice lol...I just really can't think of anything else you need. To really boost your yield, you need to consider your lighting....what is your grow space, and lighting used?...UVB CFL bulbs are great to add during flower, because the plant responds to that spectrum by growing extra trichomes.... If you use a true full spectrum LED you already have UVB rays most likely.

 

[Jypsy Dog]

To be honest I'm not sure of any additives or supplements that would boost your yield anymore than the products you have now. I mean, I could recommend some, but I doubt they'll give your plant anything it doesn't already have...sometimes it can be hard to keep it simple. Florakleen is a good product for flush, not needed, but is good. Until then, idk how compatible KoolBloom powder is with Maxibloom, but but it is good for the ripening stage and making the buds swell and produce an extra surge of trichomes...but I don't want to give bad advice lol...I just really can't think of anything else you need. To really boost your yield, you need to consider your lighting....what is your grow space, and lighting used?...UVB CFL bulbs are great to add during flower, because the plant responds to that spectrum by growing extra trichomes.... If you use a true full spectrum LED you already have UVB rays most likely.

Running Full Spectrum, I had seen one of the Koolblooms you use at finish. Not sure if it was the powder or liquid. I'll check. Thanks for the response. I'm just kind of sitting on my hands for the next month, Thought I would throw the question out there.

 

[Logan Burke]

Well, the Liquid Koolbloom contains a (undisclosed) hormone that tells the plant to grow buds bigger, while the powder KB contains a hormone that tells the plant "Hey you're running out of time, it's almost the end, produce your trichomes faster!!!" Hence the increase in bud size from Liquid KB and the increase in Trich production with the powder KB. Personally, I used the liquid KB and my girls loved it! Or at least I felt that it gave my babies a nice boost in bud weight. I used the powder KB on a couple plants, and on the other's I just kept using Liquid KB all the way through. The plants I gave the Powder KB to in the last 1-2 weeks before flush do have more trichomes than the ones I did not...nothing huge, just a slightly noticeable higher potency when smoked. Are your plants currently in flower, if so, how long?... And did you say you were using Mammoth P?

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Well, the Liquid Koolbloom contains a (undisclosed) hormone that tells the plant to grow buds bigger, while the powder KB contains a hormone that tells the plant "Hey you're running out of time, it's almost the end, produce your trichomes faster!!!" Hence the increase in bud size from Liquid KB and the increase in Trich production with the powder KB. Personally, I used the liquid KB and my girls loved it! Or at least I felt that it gave my babies a nice boost in bud weight. I used the powder KB on a couple plants, and on the other's I just kept using Liquid KB all the way through. The plants I gave the Powder KB to in the last 1-2 weeks before flush do have more trichomes than the ones I did not...nothing huge, just a slightly noticeable higher potency when smoked. Are your plants currently in flower, if so, how long?... And did you say you were using Mammoth P?

Yes on the Mammoth, She's a Orig Amnesia AUTO... Great info on the KB. Think running the liquid KB on an Auto is advisable? I'll work on sticking a couple pics of here later. Her clock is SUPPOSE to run out around 6/20. She's been eating like a pig. Dinafem advises to feed on the moderate side, so I run her at 5.5g/gal on the Maxibloom. Thanks for the KB info.

 

[Logan Burke]

Mine were all auto's lol...my autos turned into freaks running literally 3k ppms though last go so idk what the hell that was about...maybe thats why they got as tall as me? Ha....Anyway. If you feel like you're missing a bulking agent and you can't quite find a product specifically for beefing up bud sizes during early flower (that you know works), then yeah I would give liquid KB a try! But just use it in extremely small doses as your using Mammoth P and, to my knowledge, this makes more phosphorous available to the root zone. Phosphorous OD is suuuch a pain in the ass to diagnose in flower...can present itself in a million different symptoms! If everything is going good I probably wouldn't add anything, but if you feel the plant is hungry then it'd be the first P-K booster I'd recommend. When I see your pics I can say for sure yes or no on whether or not I'd recommend adding it...but I'm no expert lol, you know your plants better than I do! So if what I say contradicts your gut feeling, follow your gut! We're not always right lol.
No problem, apologies for rambling!

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Tuff to get good shots in the Bath Tub.. Forgot to mention, I have some Alaska Moorbloom 0-10-10 from my Pepper Growing.

 

[Logan Burke]

Mmm, looks like some tasty buds you've got there! Lol, actually the Moorbloom sounds like it would be a good way to test whether your plant wants anymore phosphorous/potassium or not. If it responds well, then maybe consider Liquid KB, but she looks so healthy I'd start off with a reallyy small dosage. If the tips burn or curl, or if the PH suddenly starts drifting during that day and the next, she's already got all the food she can handle... What kind of LED ya running?

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Mmm, looks like some tasty buds you've got there! Lol, actually the Moorbloom sounds like it would be a good way to test whether your plant wants anymore phosphorous/potassium or not. If it responds well, then maybe consider Liquid KB, but she looks so healthy I'd start off with a reallyy small dosage. If the tips burn or curl, or if the PH suddenly starts drifting during that day and the next, she's already got all the food she can handle... What kind of LED ya running?

She just started "Drifting " more... 5.8/6.2 over 12hrs. Might try 1/4 tea/gal on the Moorbloom. She's been a simple grow. First Auto, first SCROG. Free Seed. Bathing under a Viparspectra 600. Need to get my Sour n Sage under that light next... She's a Photo. Thanks for your input. HEY.... You ever hear of using a water based Chalking to repair a broken stem?? Pushed the S&S a little far during LST. Not getting the "SCAB" I want at the break. Thoughts??

 

[Logan Burke]

Did she start drifting before or after you added a little Moorbloom?....Normally my PH drops in flowering...hmm. I mean, I wouldn't wanna fix what isn't broken. That strain in specific might just not be a heavy producer, there are strains that crop 25-75g's a plant (auto's)....sometimes doing research on your strain can help with comparing your plant to what you'd expect from that strain. Seedfinder.eu is a good site to check strain specs. My last grow was all auto's and they got literally just as big as my last photo's did is the only reason Im going with auto's again for the next go...and sorry bud I can't say I've heard of that; maybe one of our veterans can chime in on this? Personally, I've used medical tape and tooth pics or those wooden swabs in doctors offices to make "splints" to hold the limb to the break-point, keeping them together so the tissue grows back together. Maybe you could try this?...Electrical tape works good too....I've never really done training of any kind for that matter, so I'm afraid I can't give much advice there...sorry! What Auto strain are ya growing man?

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Did she start drifting before or after you added a little Moorbloom?....Normally my PH drops in flowering...hmm. I mean, I wouldn't wanna fix what isn't broken. That strain in specific might just not be a heavy producer, there are strains that crop 25-75g's a plant (auto's)....sometimes doing research on your strain can help with comparing your plant to what you'd expect from that strain. Seedfinder.eu is a good site to check strain specs. My last grow was all auto's and they got literally just as big as my last photo's did is the only reason Im going with auto's again for the next go...and sorry bud I can't say I've heard of that; maybe one of our veterans can chime in on this? Personally, I've used medical tape and tooth pics or those wooden swabs in doctors offices to make "splints" to hold the limb to the break-point, keeping them together so the tissue grows back together. Maybe you could try this?...Electrical tape works good too....I've never really done training of any kind for that matter, so I'm afraid I can't give much advice there...sorry! What Auto strain are ya growing man?

The drift just started yesterday, after my reservoir change out. No Moorbloom yet. Here's her Trading Card....https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/dinafem-seeds-original-amnesia-auto/prod_3521.html

 

[Logan Burke]

Did your ppms go down, up, or stay the same when the PH drifted?

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Did your ppms go down, up, or stay the same when the PH drifted?

DOWN 5.9/855 6.3/797 Today 5.8/755 5.8/755 Thoughts??? I did step up my Nutes on the tank change. But only by 60ppm. Funny how she sat still today....... I do check AM/PM

 

[Logan Burke]

Did the ppm's rise or drop?...Did the PH drift happen after adding any extra ferts?...I'm confused, is it down from 6.2 to 5.9, or has it risen to 6.2 from 5.9?...That can be both a sign of too much or too little ferts depending on whether or not the ppms dropped or rised, or stayed the same...

 

[Jypsy Dog]

My pH went from5.9 to 6.3 My ppm went down from 855 to 797. I readjusted my pH back down, to 5.8 It has now stayed at 5.8 and a ppm of 755 for 18 hours. This all happened with in 48 hrs of solution change.

 

[Bakersfield]

My pH went from5.9 to 6.3 My ppm went down from 855 to 797. I readjusted my pH back down, to 5.8 It has now stayed at 5.8 and a ppm of 755 for 18 hours. This all happened with in 48 hrs of solution change.

Your meter reads EC and then converts EC to PPM.
This fluctuation of Ec with ph drift is explained here from another site.

Since the pH is a measure of the concentration of the Hydrogen [and the Hydroxyl] ions, for an acidic solution, the lower the pH [i.e. the higher the H+ concentration,] the greater the conductivity will be. Remember, the conductivity is the sum of the contribution of ALL the ions present in the solution I hope this brief discussion helps you. For more detailed information, I suggest bellow reference for further detail information.

• fermilab-pbar-note-674.pdf

Relationship between pH and conductivity?. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Relationship_between_pH_and_conductivity2 [accessed May 17, 2017].

 

[Jypsy Dog]

Your meter reads EC and then converts EC to PPM.
This fluctuation of Ec with ph drift is explained here from another site.

Or....
PPM goes up, Ph goes down=plants require less nutes.
PPM goes down, Ph goes up=Plants require more nutes
PPM stable, Ph goes up=Equilibrium=Good thing.
Looks like mine want's more food.