doingdishes
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it's hard to put the cat back in the bag once it's out.
if she tried that, there would be quite a noise
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if she tried that, there would be quite a noise
VIANARCHRIS
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We can talk hypotheticals but to say Harper will be regarded as a folk hero is delusional. You are obviously of a different political mindset than I am, I consider him a traitor, a tyrant, a liar, a fascist and a would-be dictator.The idea of a CON majority in the foreseeable future is laughable, imo. Marc Emery is also an idiot. When was the last time you heard any CON talk about legalization? Did Bernier have a sudden change of political thinking? Can you elaborate on "Trudeau's current questionable decisions on legalization." I follow this subject extremely close and I don't recall Trudeau making any decisions on legalization other than ordering a task force be formed.What did I miss?
VIANARCHRIS
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It would be like bringing back alcohol prohibition...
JungleStrikeGuy
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There's nothing hypothetical about how the man who united Conservatives federally is regarded by both big and little c's. As Carpe said, you should consider how most other people vote, not just how you vote.
Bernier has always been for legalization (specifically withholding a definite vote for or against the LPC's 'legalization', depending on how it was implemented) as long as he's been in the leadership race, so you should probably do some reading before pronouncing what the CPC's platform is in totality.
VIANARCHRIS
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The hypothetical was whether the CONs ever regain power, not on some delusional man-crush with little Stevie. He did not 'unite the Conservatives, he just put the final nails in the once respected Progressive Conservatives. Considering the Trudeau Liberals won a majority in his first election, something it took Harper 3 to accomplish, I say I am considering how others vote.
Bernier was so in favour of legalization that he withheld his vote instead of standing up for what he believed and what his constituents expect from an MP. Hardly a friend of legalization proponents...just a politician who can lie with a straight face. I don't like any politicians, but in my view the LPC is the lesser of the evils.
I'm not looking to get into political fights, clearly we see things differently, but you are no more going to change my mind than I am yours. I used to vote for the Consevatives...my parents vote CON, so I just followed. Then I grew up.I read and questioned and voted for the party I felt best about at any given election. Stephen Harper and his arrogant style of government has guaranteed I will never vote CON again. If the LPC fucks up, I'll vote Green.
As for your advice that I do some reading, pretty condescending don't you think? That fact that you don't agree with what I write doesn't make me wrong or any less 'read' than you. I would really like to read about Trudeau's decisions on legalization that you mentioned, though, but I can't find anything recent.
JungleStrikeGuy
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If you're going to deny historical fact, I'm not going to waste my time.
VIANARCHRIS
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Uhmmm...okay.
HAF2
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It does appear that everyone in this thread dislikes the same people, Conservatives; especially hate mongers. Perfect we are in agreement. The issue is seemingly how to deal with them. For selfish reasons I would like to ignore them and imagine that everyone else is mature enough and smart enough to ignore them too. Fighting them is the other option. But how? It seems that in the American election all the news I saw that was fighting trump only seemed to light a fire under the ass of his supporters. It became an “us vs. them” situation; and THEY won. It still baffles me that he could say and do the things that he did and become the President. I have heard that shit-mouthed O’Learly is eluding to running, but he could just be doing it for attention (which is what I believed Trump was doing for the first year of that gong show).
So nowadays what is the best way to deal with the hate? What will be the most effective?
My point was Trump was horrible. His campaign was made of hot garbage and the things he said were practically criminal in my opinion and often had no basis in fact. And he fucking won. His shit wasn’t ignored, it was repeated and retweeted and given so much airtime. And he won. There were protests and every celebrity with a brain and news program (less Fox “news”) and newspaper backed Hilary. And he won.
How can we make sure that doesn’t happen in Canada?
So nowadays what is the best way to deal with the hate? What will be the most effective?
I might be a little lost here, is this the historical fact that tyranny that has gone ignored has led to massacre? I don’t feel that the Cons are going to turn this country into Nazi Germany any time soon. Maybe I’m missing something?
My point was Trump was horrible. His campaign was made of hot garbage and the things he said were practically criminal in my opinion and often had no basis in fact. And he fucking won. His shit wasn’t ignored, it was repeated and retweeted and given so much airtime. And he won. There were protests and every celebrity with a brain and news program (less Fox “news”) and newspaper backed Hilary. And he won.
How can we make sure that doesn’t happen in Canada?
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JungleStrikeGuy
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In uniting Reform / Canadian Alliance with the PC's, Harper overcame the right vote-split that kept those parties from a majority government. If you were a small c or big C conservative, there was now one party to vote for, versus two on the left, Liberals and NDP. Jason Kenney's 'unite the right' campaign is trying to re-produce what Harper did federally in Alberta. Anyone arguing Harper didn't unite conservatives is living in a fantasy world.
O'Leary, while firmly in the populist celebrity reality star category, is far from Trump north. For examples, he's in favour of legalization, and doesn't invest in cannabis ventures down south only because it's not legal federally. He's a far better candidate than Leitch is (and more popular as well). His other policy positions are certainly up for debate however.
Harper's draconian C-51 legislation mirrors the Reichstag decree in many ways, and is already being used for things like spying on journalists, so sticking your head in the sand is not an advisable strategy.
O'Leary, while firmly in the populist celebrity reality star category, is far from Trump north. For examples, he's in favour of legalization, and doesn't invest in cannabis ventures down south only because it's not legal federally. He's a far better candidate than Leitch is (and more popular as well). His other policy positions are certainly up for debate however.
Harper's draconian C-51 legislation mirrors the Reichstag decree in many ways, and is already being used for things like spying on journalists, so sticking your head in the sand is not an advisable strategy.
HAF2
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Thanks for that. I wouldn't say my ignoring is sticking my head in the sand per se. I'll still read things in the paper and see them on the news.
I do feel that the hate trump ignited would have been better ignored by the left. If Hilary spent less time talking about his shitty behaviour and more time talking about policy maybe they wouldn't be in such a scary place right now. All just my opinion though, no magic ball here so I can't say what would have happened if only.
Your opinion and information is appreciated.
CarpeNocturnum
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Well I am conservative, fiscally at least but I'm socially progressive.
That being said in the last federal election I voted LPC, as for provincially NDP.
I'm a classical liberal so essentially there are no valid parties that represent my positions.
Either way if we want direct democracy - the ONLY way to do this Is to join the major parties and vote every chance possible .
THIS WOULD TAKE POWER FROM THE POLITICIANS AND OPEN UP MAJOR REFORM.
So what if you're a communist? Join the CPC and vote for the candidates with moral socialist policies. Say you're a fascist, join the NDP to select more fiscally responsible candidates. I know I'm talking extremes here but can you see my point?
Also as of recently Bernier only supports legalization if home growing is allowed.
HAF2
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I was full blown Trudeu before the last election. Going to have to revisit that depending on what happens in the next few years.
I agree more with the Green Party generally, but we do seem to get sucked into a two party system. Can't say I expect the green to be a big contender in the next election either.
My only worry is the polarizing of ideals like what happened in the states. Politicians see what works, and that fucking worked out well for the Donald. I hope Canadians are smarter than that three years from now.
VIANARCHRIS
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Democracy cannot coexist with party politics. If my MP votes along party lines instead of seeking direction from constituents, I am not being equally represented...the very premise of any democracy. I vote for the idiot that is going to have the least interference in my life and hope for the best. I voted Liberal because they were the opposite of the HarperCONs. Little Stevie brought in mandatory minimums for pot smokers and Trudeau is going to legalize. It was an easy choice. I may vote Green or NDP next time, depending on what they offer. I vote Green provincially. I am an equal-opportunity voter!
nobody important 666
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Depends is trudeau keep pandering to special interest groups only i think his days are numbered
HAF2
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But dat hair doe. And a mighty nice torso. So, you know. Qualified.