McLellan...

oddish

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http://www.straight.com/news/719866/marc-emery-why-did-justin-trudeau-put-past-kingpin-prohibition-charge-marijuana

My extradition to the United States, for which i was arrested on July 29, 2005, was a joint U.S.-Canadian government project involving, remarkably, 30 departments of the U.S. and Canadian governments.

In Canada it involved Health Canada, the Ministry of Public Safety, the RCMP, Vancouver Police Department, the Canadian prosecutorial service, Immigration Canada, the B.C. solicitor general, the B.C. attorney general, and even the office of the deputy prime minister.

From 2002 when the U.S. opened its case against me, to July 2005 when I was arrested, the Liberal government of the day under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin had Alberta MP Anne McLellan as point person in the three cabinet portfolios that were responsible for extraditing me; she was variously the justice, health, and public safety minister in those three years, as well as being deputy prime minister on the day I was arrested on July 29, 2005.


Earlier this month, McLellan was made chairperson of the legalization task force. This task force will listen to submissions by the public and experts in the fall and winter and come up with legislation proposals. But with former Toronto police chiefBill Blair and McLellan heading up the legalization file, is it any wonder NDP MP Anne Minh-Thu Quach rose in the House of Commons on June 3 to say this:

“Mr. Speaker, the Liberals made a big promise to legalize marijuana. However, the government just assigned the file to the former justice minister, who has said in the past that she is opposed to the medical use of marijuana.

Let me summarize. A former police chief and now a pot opponent are in charge of the legalization of marijuana. That is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the hen house.

Is the prime minister preparing to kill his own plan to legalize marijuana?”

Someone finally said the obvious!

McLellan has a history of fighting marijuana use
In her time in the Liberal government spotlight, McLellan called marijuana a “scourge”, suggested that marijuana led to the murder of four Mounties in the Alberta town of Mayerthorpe, promised a Liberal government would never be “in the business of legalizing marijuana”, wanted judges who refused to give tough penalties for weed offences to explain their reasons in writing to her, said “we do not want Canadians to use marijuana”, and “essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians” trying to access marijuana to relieve pain.

In an August 17, 2005, Vancouver Sun article entitled “Irwin Cotler Throws Up Smokescreen”, columnist Ian Mulgrew speculated on McLellan’s fingerprints being all over the Emery extradition file, noting she was a "pro-American hawk and rabid anti-pot crusader”.

In the months before my arrest for extradition to the United States, I was jousting with McLellan in newspapers about the four Mounties killed by a lone shooter in Alberta who had some marijuana plants in a barn.

It was laid out in a Calgary Sun article entitled "Political Furor Sparked", which was published on March 5, 2005.

Here's a snippet of what appeared:

“What we’re doing is enhancing the Criminal Code by increasing the maximum sentences that courts can levy against grow-ops,” McLellan told reporters.

“This is hysteria,” said Marc Emery, the leader of the BC Marijuana Party, “the bodies are hardly even cold and already they want to imprison tens of thousands more people growing marijuana. If marijuana were legal, we wouldn’t have any of these problems. I regard this as the ultimate political exploitation.”

Pot smokers should be outraged
McLellan’s appointment sadistically mocks everyone who has worked for and supported this movement. It mocks the voters. Are we dumb enough to think that McLellan’s lust for meanness towards marijuana sinners has suddenly disappeared?

McLellan’s appointment to a marijuana file is like bringing the Ku Klux Klan back to write civil rights legislation.

Now magazine of Toronto published an article on July 26, 2007, about a government audit of the medical marijuana program, which stated: “The audit makes particular note of a 2003 meeting at which then Health Minister Anne McLellan essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians seeking medpot.”

I wrote in earlier blogs that the most important aspect of this legalization task force is to remind the committee and the country of the millions of victims of the 50 years of marijuana prohibition. McLellan in that sense is the perfect foil. After all, as health minister, justice minister, and public safety minister, she’s one of those responsible for so many prohibition victims.


Anne McLellan was deputy prime minister in a previous Liberal government that supported the extradition of Marc Emery for selling marijuana seeds over the Internet.
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gb123

Well-Known Member
No worries Odd one... No one is going to listen to a lunatic.
This ones a class act all on her own.

I think they post stories like this just to show how ludicrous people can actually be..for reason all on their own with no one else in mind.

Just another loon see... (:

Watch he spout off ....and not get listened to.. ;)

ps...this has been posted Odd.
 

jafro daweedhound

Well-Known Member
Is the prime minister preparing to kill his own plan to legalize marijuana?”
YES - THANK YOU, I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS. Each week more and more people keep waking up to this, Hopefully soon the peasants will rise and say what the fuck !!!

We have been had - best cons always leave their victims denying anything wrong is happening. There will not be any parades happening when the shit finally does hit the fan.

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WORK WILL SET YOU FREE....
During history many groups that were discriminated against denied the warning signs of their fait until it was too late.
Legalization is a pipe dream Canadians were sold to re entrench the Liberal right to govern. Justin seen his father do the same thing so many times through out his career, that it all seemed just so natural to do the same things to get elected.

WE SHOULD MARCH ON OTTAWA AND DEMAD THIS SHIT END NOW !!!!

They have destroyed enough lives it is time to get this fixed.
“The audit makes particular note of a 2003 meeting at which then Health Minister Anne McLellan essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians seeking medpot.”
Anyone thinking we will get anything but access to LP shit is dreaming. Factory Fresh Goodness upload_2016-6-18_11-51-30.png

But hey what the fuck, we can just go back to court....... No harm , no fault. Besides they have all the answers, they are so book smart and learnid.

These jackasses are the people who led the world down the path to where we are now - do I really need to say more.... Trudeaus have been fucking Canada up for decades.

Here is LEGALIZATION;



Protecting the kids is what they call it....

A PROUD TRADITION


and justice for all....
 
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Gquebed

Well-Known Member
http://www.straight.com/news/719866/marc-emery-why-did-justin-trudeau-put-past-kingpin-prohibition-charge-marijuana

My extradition to the United States, for which i was arrested on July 29, 2005, was a joint U.S.-Canadian government project involving, remarkably, 30 departments of the U.S. and Canadian governments.

In Canada it involved Health Canada, the Ministry of Public Safety, the RCMP, Vancouver Police Department, the Canadian prosecutorial service, Immigration Canada, the B.C. solicitor general, the B.C. attorney general, and even the office of the deputy prime minister.

From 2002 when the U.S. opened its case against me, to July 2005 when I was arrested, the Liberal government of the day under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin had Alberta MP Anne McLellan as point person in the three cabinet portfolios that were responsible for extraditing me; she was variously the justice, health, and public safety minister in those three years, as well as being deputy prime minister on the day I was arrested on July 29, 2005.


Earlier this month, McLellan was made chairperson of the legalization task force. This task force will listen to submissions by the public and experts in the fall and winter and come up with legislation proposals. But with former Toronto police chiefBill Blair and McLellan heading up the legalization file, is it any wonder NDP MP Anne Minh-Thu Quach rose in the House of Commons on June 3 to say this:

“Mr. Speaker, the Liberals made a big promise to legalize marijuana. However, the government just assigned the file to the former justice minister, who has said in the past that she is opposed to the medical use of marijuana.

Let me summarize. A former police chief and now a pot opponent are in charge of the legalization of marijuana. That is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the hen house.

Is the prime minister preparing to kill his own plan to legalize marijuana?”

Someone finally said the obvious!

McLellan has a history of fighting marijuana use
In her time in the Liberal government spotlight, McLellan called marijuana a “scourge”, suggested that marijuana led to the murder of four Mounties in the Alberta town of Mayerthorpe, promised a Liberal government would never be “in the business of legalizing marijuana”, wanted judges who refused to give tough penalties for weed offences to explain their reasons in writing to her, said “we do not want Canadians to use marijuana”, and “essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians” trying to access marijuana to relieve pain.

In an August 17, 2005, Vancouver Sun article entitled “Irwin Cotler Throws Up Smokescreen”, columnist Ian Mulgrew speculated on McLellan’s fingerprints being all over the Emery extradition file, noting she was a "pro-American hawk and rabid anti-pot crusader”.

In the months before my arrest for extradition to the United States, I was jousting with McLellan in newspapers about the four Mounties killed by a lone shooter in Alberta who had some marijuana plants in a barn.

It was laid out in a Calgary Sun article entitled "Political Furor Sparked", which was published on March 5, 2005.

Here's a snippet of what appeared:

“What we’re doing is enhancing the Criminal Code by increasing the maximum sentences that courts can levy against grow-ops,” McLellan told reporters.

“This is hysteria,” said Marc Emery, the leader of the BC Marijuana Party, “the bodies are hardly even cold and already they want to imprison tens of thousands more people growing marijuana. If marijuana were legal, we wouldn’t have any of these problems. I regard this as the ultimate political exploitation.”

Pot smokers should be outraged
McLellan’s appointment sadistically mocks everyone who has worked for and supported this movement. It mocks the voters. Are we dumb enough to think that McLellan’s lust for meanness towards marijuana sinners has suddenly disappeared?

McLellan’s appointment to a marijuana file is like bringing the Ku Klux Klan back to write civil rights legislation.

Now magazine of Toronto published an article on July 26, 2007, about a government audit of the medical marijuana program, which stated: “The audit makes particular note of a 2003 meeting at which then Health Minister Anne McLellan essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians seeking medpot.”

I wrote in earlier blogs that the most important aspect of this legalization task force is to remind the committee and the country of the millions of victims of the 50 years of marijuana prohibition. McLellan in that sense is the perfect foil. After all, as health minister, justice minister, and public safety minister, she’s one of those responsible for so many prohibition victims.


Anne McLellan was deputy prime minister in a previous Liberal government that supported the extradition of Marc Emery for selling marijuana seeds over the Internet.
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This is just elementary politics.
Putting a hard ass cop on the board is a great idea. It smothers critics. He is a figurehead...a face... but will have very little input. He is just the guy who gets to annouce the board decisions to the public.

Involving a biased bitch like Mclellan is the same thing. Another hard ass for appearances...of which one is JTs "inclusiveness" that he preaches. And she may have some infulence but it will be limited.

At the end of the day Libs will write the policy, which will come from a long list of models - Wash St, Cali, Col, Ammydam, Spain, Portugal and so on. No doubt there will be concessions made to the hard ass side, but that again will be for appearances. The Libs have all they need to in the House to get legalization done how they want it done.

And when it is done... that wont be the end of it. There will modifications over the years.

The question is... will the law be what those in this forum want? No. And it wont be what the hardasses want either. Those two far ends of the spectrum will be disappointed. But for the masses in the middle it will be acceptable.

I'm excited about it. I think Canada is going to get it the most right so far because there is lots of precedent to draw from now from all the experience listed above.

And as long as anybody can grow... thats all that really matters.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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This is just elementary politics.
Putting a hard ass cop on the board is a great idea. It smothers critics. He is a figurehead...a face... but will have very little input. He is just the guy who gets to annouce the board decisions to the public.

Involving Mclellan is the same thing. Another hard ass for appearances...of which one is JTs "inclusiveness" that he preaches. And she may have some infulence but it will be limited.

At the end of the day Libs will write the policy, which will come from a long list of models - Wash St, Cali, Col, Ammydam, Spain, Portugal and so on. No doubt there will be concessions made to the hard ass side, but that again will be for appearances. The Libs have all they need to in the House to get legalization done how they want it done.

And when it is done... that wont be the end of it. There will modifications over the years.

The question is... will the law be what those in this forum want? No. And it wont be what the hardasses want either. Those two far ends of the spectrum will be disappointed. But for the masses in the middle it will be acceptable.

I'm excited about it. I think Canada is going to get it the most right so far because there is lots of precedent to draw from now from all the experience listed above.

And as long as anybody can grow... thats all that really matters.
By this line of reasoning, Justin Trudeau 'has some influence but it will be limited'. Cognitive dissonance around this is crazy.

I've already gone through the compromise fallacy, signs of rec being a repeat of the MMPR keep piling up. Between dispensaries and legalization I think Tousaw's going to be a busy guy for the next little while.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
that is their issue...
everyone will be able to grow...
if they dont let that happen. They will not get what they want.

Anyone who is sick can do for themselves and there isnt any law or court that will ever say other wise.

They just dont quite grasp that yet... :)
Anyone who is sick can grow. Supreme court said so. Where the worry is... is how much can they will be allowed to grow.

Others worry whether or not everybody will be allowed. We shall see... but what is certain is that when everybody is allowed to grow the blackmarket almost disappears. It was the same with booze. This model is proven. It will likely be followed. If not there will likely be an uprising to the degree that the law will have to be changed to allow for it.

But JTs mind on this has been plain to see...harm reduction... which insists that everybody be allowed to grow.... just the same as beer and wine where everybody can brew.

But distribution/trafficking... i cansee those laws becoming really really harsh... like for brewing. And i believe that is the LARGEST worry that many people in this forum wont vioce.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
You grow the amount a DOCTOR SAYS YOU NEED.. :)

its all VERY SIMPLE... so simple that they will trip over what they try to do every where they turn!!

(:

OH YA>..they have rights...we keep forgetting that key point :lol:
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
So then we agree on that part....it is the outcome that we don't see the same thing happening.

Just strange with this good outcome expected - why all the arrests still ???
I think it depends on peoples attitudes in local jurisdictions. Alberta is still fanatical religious so the cops here uphold what is still the law until its changed. But not all of the cops here. So... theres that...
 

JungleStrikeGuy

Well-Known Member

Wtf? ***slow head shake***
I'm glad you agree as to how ridiculous saying the leaders of something will have 'limited' influence is.

I missed the part about her obstructing the MMAR on the first read through, I always knew there was probably some shady ideological shit near the top.

At this rate, the next appointment to the task force we'll hear about is DEA agents.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

Well-Known Member
Anyone who is sick can grow. Supreme court said so. Where the worry is... is how much can they will be allowed to grow.

Others worry whether or not everybody will be allowed. We shall see... but what is certain is that when everybody is allowed to grow the blackmarket almost disappears. It was the same with booze. This model is proven. It will likely be followed. If not there will likely be an uprising to the degree that the law will have to be changed to allow for it.

But JTs mind on this has been plain to see...harm reduction... which insists that everybody be allowed to grow.... just the same as beer and wine where everybody can brew.

But distribution/trafficking... i cansee those laws becoming really really harsh... like for brewing. And i believe that is the LARGEST worry that many people in this forum wont vioce.
Allard was in Federal court, not the Supreme Court, and Allard does not say 'anyone who is sick can grow'. Only medically approved patients under whatever the new regime looks like.

And on the 'the Supreme Court said so' line of thinking, a bill was just made law that specifically does not cover the Plaintiff in the assisted dying case. So this would be the same as if under the new medical rules, any or all of the original 4 Plaintiffs wouldn't be able to grow. The justice minister has explicitly stated 'Our assisted dying legislation doesn't have to comply with the Carter ruling.' That issue is way less contentious than legalization, so do the math.

I'm not sure how you equate harm reduction = everyone has to grow. Harm reduction really has nothing to do with the supply, other than the potency argument which is even more justification for banning home grows. If you think there's going to be a revolution over legalization being prohibition 2.0 you're in for disappointment.

Under the guise of 'legalization / think of the children', Trudeau will make Harper's tough on crime drug laws look tame.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
I'm glad you agree as to how ridiculous saying the leaders of something will have 'limited' influence is.

I missed the part about her obstructing the MMAR on the first read through, I always knew there was probably some shady ideological shit near the top.

At this rate, the next appointment to the task force we'll hear about is DEA agents.
They are not leaders. They are figureheads. Nothing more. They are being used for political purposes. That is all. And its obvious.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
Allard was in Federal court, not the Supreme Court, and Allard does not say 'anyone who is sick can grow'. Only medically approved patients under whatever the new regime looks like.

And on the 'the Supreme Court said so' line of thinking, a bill was just made law that specifically does not cover the Plaintiff in the assisted dying case. So this would be the same as if under the new medical rules, any or all of the original 4 Plaintiffs wouldn't be able to grow. The justice minister has explicitly stated 'Our assisted dying legislation doesn't have to comply with the Carter ruling.' That issue is way less contentious than legalization, so do the math.

I'm not sure how you equate harm reduction = everyone has to grow. Harm reduction really has nothing to do with the supply, other than the potency argument which is even more justification for banning home grows. If you think there's going to be a revolution over legalization being prohibition 2.0 you're in for disappointment.

Under the guise of 'legalization / think of the children', Trudeau will make Harper's tough on crime drug laws look tame.
1st. Yes yes. Those who have been written prescription will be able to grow. That is what i meant and you know it.

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I exained exactly how everybody being allowed to grow reduces harm = it cuts the black market off at the knees. The model is proven, particulalrly with booze.

I believe every State that has legalized has included a provision for limited home grows. Why would Canada exclude that? It would leave the door wide open to the BM which is what JT is trying to eliminate. It isna critical part to legalization. If you dont understand why then it is only because you dont want to...

...and would rather criticise JT.... for yet something else that hasnt happened yet....
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
The one lesson that can be had from the states is that the dispensary prices must be kept down otherwise the BM flourishes. I know this was a problem in CO. I mean... 350-450 a zip for some strains!!??

The BM there never had it so good... undercut by 30% and make for than you ever did before. That cant be allowed to happen here.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

Well-Known Member
They are not leaders. They are figureheads. Nothing more. They are being used for political purposes. That is all. And its obvious.
They are both in leadership roles in the task force, not 'figureheads', as they will be making the decisions. But it's clear some people are dedicated to performing whatever mental gymnastics are required to hand-wave the facts away, so have fun with that.
 

TheRealDman

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They are both in leadership roles in the task force, not 'figureheads', as they will be making the decisions. But it's clear some people are dedicated to performing whatever mental gymnastics are required to hand-wave the facts away, so have fun with that.
They are not in leadership roles...they are simply the Minister's bitches!

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