Potassium toxicity?

Forte

Forte

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greasemonkeymann said:
Ahh I see your issue with it.
I loved using peat, but I use a WHOLE lot of varying aerations.
It's still in my mix today, I've just diluted it down with leaf compost so much it's hard to see anymore.
I think the water retention thing is a valid point though, but I never personally had a problem with it.

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stoner moment
just realized he doesn't have any humus in this mix.
That's something i'd address
you are right, pure peat is too much
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i also added 1 gallon compost/ewc
2 gallons lava rock
1 gallon rice hulls
per cf
 
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Wetdog

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greasemonkeymann said:
Ahh I see your issue with it.
I loved using peat, but I use a WHOLE lot of varying aerations.
It's still in my mix today, I've just diluted it down with leaf compost so much it's hard to see anymore.
I think the water retention thing is a valid point though, but I never personally had a problem with it.

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stoner moment
just realized he doesn't have any humus in this mix.
That's something i'd address
you are right, pure peat is too much
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You don't consider peat as humus? It pretty much matches the definition of humus to a T.

I know you know, but many equate humus with compost and they are 2 different things ... mostly.

Wet
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Wetdog said:
You don't consider peat as humus? It pretty much matches the definition of humus to a T.

I know you know, but many equate humus with compost and they are 2 different things ... mostly.

Wet
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Absolutely it's a humus.
BUT it's so damn old, and then inevitably dried, packed, etc, etc.
My "definition" of humus is a freshly made source with loads of microbial activity.
But you are 100% correct, peat is totally humus, but not the "type" i'm talking about..
I know, I know, it's kinda stupid.
But it's the difference between store bought EWC vs a homemade.. yea, they are sorta the same, but one is vastly superior to the other.
Compost IS humus, but not all of it, but that's sort of a pointless endeavor to argue that, ewc is humus, peat is humus, leaf mold is humus, grass clippings, pine needles(I had two runs of a compost that was 75% redwood one needles, worked really well, wasn't acidic at all), most anything organic will turn into humus at the end.
BUT that's where it gets murky.. as far as the definition.
For example, the consistency of homemade ewc is extremely dense and thick, it's great shit, but you need to match it 1/1 with aeration, I actually prefer the leaf mold "version" of humus, it's more spongey, almost like tiny pieces of black sponges, and they also have some sort of "elastic" quality to them, meaning it doesn't compact over time, which is advantageous when you re-use your soil for yrs and yrs.
Almost reminds me of rice hulls sorta.
My point is simply that humus is a poorly defined substance, our understanding of it's EXACT role is fairly rudimentary.

I guess this ramble could be simplified..
All humus is NOT created equal.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
i also added 1 gallon compost/ewc
2 gallons lava rock
1 gallon rice hulls
per cf
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I do think the aeration is a lil light man, cannabis LOVES fluffy light aerated soil media.
For every gallon of ewc you should match with aeration, so i'd add another gallon of aeration at least.
Per cubic foot.
I've experimented with mixes as high as 75% aeration, and you'd be surprised how much they like the "humid" soil vs the "wet" one.
I go around 40-45% aeration, that's my guess anyways
6.4 gallons in a cubic foot, you have 3gallons of aeration, but you added a gallon of castings.
So i'd add another gallon of aeration, preferably one that's not hydrophobic, like pumice for example, I wouldn't add perlite unless that's all you can get.
Caveat being if the TOTAL was a cubic foot, then you are all good, but if you ADDED those to the existing cubic foot, then i'd add another gallon
 
darkzero

darkzero

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Your absolutely right about the peat water thing last year in flower watered once a week and sometimes had to let my blend of supersoil go two weeks without water because it takes forever to dry out mine was aery and should add humus too it like ancient forest
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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I've used ancient forest. It's ok, but you can make your own compost/ humus that is way better. FRESH IS BEST! Leafs make the best humus imho-

Greese has a thread on making compost, I'd suggest following that.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Kinda looks like the older growth is curling, waxing, and burning in some spots. New growth looks unaffected yet but on its way.
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Alienwidow said:
Im just wondering why the leaves look so waxy? Are you spraying them or is that the feed?
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I have plants in veg under led and they're lowest are waxy. I'd attribute this to being healthy. The curling or drooping is probably watering issue. Idk tho cuz my plants never droop unless in the dark phase.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
Possibly yes, but if the overall signs would be there then. I don't see that with mine, but I can't truly speak for the op.
If the whole plant was waxy, then I'd say for sure constant over feeding. But in my experience a waxy leaf is better then a dull papery one.
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I havent had a waxy leaf in years. You can almost see your face in his. And the leaf edges? And all the stuff in the soil?
Why would you think the new growth not being affected yet implies its not feed?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Midwest Weedist said:
Can't wait to get my leaf compost started this spring. I've got like 10 houses who are giving me their bagged leaves!! That stuff is magic, almost as amazing as vermi.
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it'd be hard, but if I had to choose?
it'd be my compost, but that's not really a fair comparison, because I amend the bejesus out of my compost, so it's not just any "ole" compost...
My biggest issue with vermicasts is they are damn THICK, I gotta "fluff" mine up in a shaker with a bunch of aeration of it simply clogs my soil.
I had to re-amend some soil just recently and it's been raining in CA for so long that my castings are pretty moist, so my "shaker" won't work like that... So I had to clump them in a till it up...
Anyways, I wouldn't ever grow without either though..
Castings made primarily with fruits/veggies are just awesome..
But it's an unwashed-whore to deal with sometimes
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
Possibly yes, but if the overall signs would be there then. I don't see that with mine, but I can't truly speak for the op.
If the whole plant was waxy, then I'd say for sure constant over feeding. But in my experience a waxy leaf is better then a dull papery one.
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You are totally right
Gotta "wash" those plants every ten days or so in vege.. or at least I do..
Aloe and pro-tekt.. they LOVE it..
If you have any PM issues, use a AACT on them, you'd be shocked how well that works on powder, and again, they LOVE it.
But you want a nice happy "praying" shiney leaf?
Fresh aloe and pro-tekt
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Midwest Weedist said:
Leaf sheen is a sign of good health. Go to a greenhouse and look at their plants, shiny as a mirror!
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Good health? His plants look terrible. Are you talking greenhouse weed plants? My greenhouse weed plants arent shiney. I really want to know what this shiney means. Everyone seems to he just listing a bunch of stuff they do or listing ingredients on this thread so far. Is there a consensus yet?

Im going to go hit like on a few posts. Maybe if someone can tell me what the deal is, and whats the deal with the wax.
 
Midwest Weedist

Midwest Weedist

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Alienwidow said:
Good health? His plants look terrible. Are you talking greenhouse weed plants? My greenhouse weed plants arent shiney. I really want to know what this shiney means. Everyone seems to he just listing a bunch of stuff they do or listing ingredients on this thread so far. Is there a consensus yet?

Im going to go hit like on a few posts. Maybe if someone can tell me what the deal is, and whats the deal with the wax.
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I wasn't referring to his plants, my appologies, I was speaking in General terms. When I said greenhouse, I meant commercial greenhouses, the businesses that sell plants. Most plant species when grown under optimal conditions that are in good health will have a slight sheen to them. Its a protective layer of wax if my knowledge is correct. If you're looking for absolutes, they don't really exist, there are multiple ways to skin a cat after all.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Midwest Weedist said:
I wasn't referring to his plants, my appologies, I was speaking in General terms. When I said greenhouse, I meant commercial greenhouses, the business that sell plants. Most plant species when grown under optimal conditions that are in good health will have a slight sheen to them. Its a protective layer of each of my knowledge is correct. If you're looking for absolutes, they don't really exist, there are multiple ways to skin a cat after all.
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Oh ya, like house plants with a shine? Like succulents and stuff? Ya i know of the shine on those types of house plants. I just looked up waxy leaves in the search bar and couldnt find a definitive answer. One mention of nitrogen O.D. like a member mentioned in this thread as well.
 
Midwest Weedist

Midwest Weedist

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Alienwidow said:
Oh ya, like house plants with a shine? Like succulents and stuff? Ya i know of the shine on those types of house plants. I just looked up waxy leaves in the search bar and couldnt find a definitive answer. One mention of nitrogen O.D. like a member mentioned in this thread as well.
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I could be wrong but I'm relatively sure leaf shine has to do with its silica content
 
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