Padawanbater2
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It must be to ensure California votes democrat
Is the NRA right?
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Not GOP
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On the state, city, and local levels. I agree. Jerry Brown needs to be sure Barbara Boxer's seat gets filled with a Democrat. I'm so glad we finally agree on one thing. Isn't that great?!
Padawanbater2
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You forgot about the most important part...
"This bill would require the Secretary of State and the Department of Motor Vehicles to establish the California New Motor Voter Program for the purpose of increasing opportunities for voter registration by any person who is qualified to be a voter."
Not GOP
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you spammed
Election Integrity Project of California President Linda Paine warned that AB 1461 “will effectively change the form of governance in California from a Republic whose elected officials are determined by United States citizens and will guarantee that noncitizens will participate in all California elections going forward.”
i just wanna state that anyone can pass a mental illness test its very easy for people who have the more psychotic mental health problems that often murder people they can pass an evaul with flying colors
ZaraBeth420
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People can go to gun shows in my state and buy guns from people with no checks at all.
i dont think ill ever understand why america has such a problem with guns
and my opinions are not worth getting into arguments over because its beating a dead horse, this gun issue is tiring its non stop
and nothing will ever come from it
i just came to say its easy to pass a mental health evaluation
and my opinions are not worth getting into arguments over because its beating a dead horse, this gun issue is tiring its non stop
and nothing will ever come from it
i just came to say its easy to pass a mental health evaluation
Padawanbater2
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Can you tell me how "noncitizens" are to vote given the fact that you must be a US citizen to vote?
How does this bill lawfully allow non US citizens to vote in US elections?
The_Herban_Legend
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True but those with any history of mental illness should be automatically disqualified.
Padawanbater2
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Because innocent people are killed by guns every day, and it was written in our constitution that we're legally allowed to own guns to stand up to any government overreach. Some people have taken that to mean literally "any weapon made by man", and some people view the right to bear arms as more important than the expectation of safety and security
Even still, it's better to have to pass a mental health evaluation - and catch the ones that couldn't pass - than to not have it at all and allow them to legally purchase a gun. I'm sure you would agree with that
lots of thing could be considered mental health illness
you think someone with acute anxiety shouldnt own a gun?
meh you just xed off pretty much half the population of america
The_Herban_Legend
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The 80s and 90s were bad but its mellow now. I don't think we have a problem.
the thing is youre catching people with things like anxiety who cant pass, because they have a hard time communicating under pressure and you're allowing people who can pass like sociopaths who are more likely to harm and charming and likely to pass all evaluations own guns
the mental health evaluation is unlikely to do much good in keeping guns away from people who have violent mental health disorders and are more likely to harm than others thats all
The_Herban_Legend
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Lol no but they should be scrutenized.
bearkat42
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What??
youre not likely to be violent if you have just acute anxiety problems.
but it is considered mental health since its from a chemical imbalance in the brain
why should they be scrutinized for having their flight or fight instincts tick off when they are in the grocery store or a concert?
it is probable the mental health evaluation is unlikely to do much good if you base who owns a gun solely on that evaluation alone.
youll be denying people who are unlikey to do harm and allowing people like sociopaths to pass with flying colors
Padawanbater2
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Take some of the most recent attacks in America, Charleston, Sandy Hook, even Virginia Tech, in each of those situations, do you believe Roof, Lanza or Cho could have passed a competent mental health evaluation?
I don't think any of them could have, this extends to nearly every mass shooter in American history
Considering that, these tests should absolutely be made mandatory
Will we still experience mass shootings? Yes, we probably will in a country with 3x's the amount of guns than people, but will there be less? Without a doubt.
There is no valid reason to exclude mental health evaluations from the requirements of buying a gun, especially considering there are no real valid reasons not to
Some people will get through the cracks, like they always do, that's the nature of having the system. But MUCH LESS will, that's the same reason we have security for aircraft, for gov. buildings, for schools, etc. Some will always find a way, but most won't, that's the point of taking precautions
Padawanbater2
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If you fail a firearm/safety test because of anxiety, then I'm sorry, you shouldn't be carrying/using a firearm
The_Herban_Legend
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Nothing wrong with scrutenizing people with a history of mental health issues. I am scrutenized everytime I fly because of religious idiots why should those with a history of mental illnesses be exempt?
Padawanbater2
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This argument says those that aren't violent but are labeled legally insane (because of things like anxiety) aren't allowed to buy a gun while those that are violent but are labeled legally insane are, and that's wrong fundamentally.
I disagree with it being fundamentally wrong. If I suspect someone of even maybe being insane, I don't want them holding a gun around me. That applies to anyone who fails a background check because of anxiety.
The only people I want to be legally allowed to hold a gun are people who know how to use it, when to use it, why to use it, and when NOT to use it, how to hold it, how to teach people how/when/why to use it, etc... People who understand all the safety features, people who understand trigger safety, etc.