Why do we continue being slaves to society and turning ourselves into zombies?

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GrowUrOwnDank

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Yep. Couldn't even get a job delivering pizzas and I applied everywhere! Thankfully I finally got an interview. I mean, I make like 40% less than what I was used to. But, you learn to adapt and I did. I am thankful for my job. I should finish my education and I could get a better job. But, truck driving and manufacturing require a piss test. So...... Anything you do will require sacrifice. Always. Assuming of course you want to actually have some kind of fun in life. I'm doing well. Better than many. Not so great compared to many. I don't need much anymore. Thinking about putting in some apps and get a part time job somewhere. Just because I could always use the extra money and I am getting bored. I've been on RIU all day. Kinda sad really. lol. ;-)
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
It's coming around little by little since the crash of 2008. I got displaced from being skilled in manufacturing by evolution. As the wages in China grow, the space is becoming a more level playing field. But, it's advanced manufacturing now. A young person will probably need an education in some field of advanced manufacturing. Like CMC, robotics, electronics. China has really come a long way too tho. They are competitively producing quality among the crap these days. I remember back in the day everything from China was junk. They've come a long way.
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True, things last twice as long now, so really instead of returning and exchanging an item 4 times during the warranty period I only have to lose income twice now.

You get what you pay for......

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/27/transportation-officials-say-defective-bolts-wont-delay-new-bay-bridge-opening/

https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1043996.015
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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Grandpapy said:
True, things last twice as long now, so really instead of returning and exchanging an item 4 times during the warranty period I only have to lose income twice now.

You get what you pay for......

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/27/transportation-officials-say-defective-bolts-wont-delay-new-bay-bridge-opening/

https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1043996.015
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I knew some guys that worked in a GM parts plant. These guys built crap. They admitted they didn't retool when they went out of tolerance because it took time. They didn't give a crap about quality. And they built crap cars, think 70's and 80's. Yes the machines are tighter now too. Tolerances are way up! I've got 185k miles on a 90's Ford and a mechanic has never touched it. I've done all the regular maintenance. Brakes, plugs, filters. Belt. And it still runs like a champ. I do notice the power is fading but, it was pretty quick to begin with. Just normal wear and tear on the motor and such. The technological curve is advancing at a rapid pace for sure. It's amazing.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
You are only enslaved to provide for yourself. Nourishment and entertainment. Housing. A 9 to 5 ain't that bad. When I was unemployed for almost a year I quickly realized that not having a job and not having the funds to be able to play to pass time was extremely boring. I fell into depression. I mean, some people can sit around and watch talk shows all day. Others may be motivated to do as you say and be productive and independent. I can't think of a single worthwhile invention that hasn't already been done. I like Shark Tank. But, many of us accept that we are not talented in that entrepreneurial spirit. So, we go to work. It's just the way it is.
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You know what? I AM that entrepreneurial guy, that independent spirit, the inventor... and it turns out that I need people who can show up on time every day and work hard. BADLY.

Because I'm just one person and I can't possibly do everything that has to get done. The notion that the guy working down on the shop floor somehow isn't important has been proven to be bullshit time and again by every work empowerment guru I know of. In the post industrial economy, the people who know the most about my process are those doing it- and so guess who's likely to be the best source for ideas about how to do it better? How 'bout that...
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
I knew some guys that worked in a GM parts plant. These guys built crap. They admitted they didn't retool when they went out of tolerance because it took time. They didn't give a crap about quality. And they built crap cars, think 70's and 80's. Yes the machines are tighter now too. Tolerances are way up! I've got 185k miles on a 90's Ford and a mechanic has never touched it. I've done all the regular maintenance. Brakes, plugs, filters. Belt. And it still runs like a champ. I do notice the power is fading but, it was pretty quick to begin with. Just normal wear and tear on the motor and such. The technological curve is advancing at a rapid pace for sure. It's amazing.
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The next generation of cars will be electric and they'll last longer, need less maintenance and be far more efficient. As Tesla has proven, they needn't be boring, either!

Model S P85D with the 'ludicrous speed' option- seriously- runs a 2.5 sec 0-60. Quick enough to be uncomfortable, lol 85 mpg equivalent. Quiet and reliable as my toaster.
 
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ttystikk said:
The next generation of cars will be electric and they'll last longer, need less maintenance and be far more efficient. As Tesla has proven, they needn't be boring, either!

Model S P85D with the 'ludicrous speed' option- seriously- runs a 2.5 sec 0-60. Quick enough to be uncomfortable, lol 85 mpg equivalent. Quiet and reliable as my toaster.
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Ha! I remember reading about Tesla in Wired magazine I had a subscription for. Back then they used lap top batteries. For sure things are changing. RAPIDLY! Being 50 I've had the opportunity to experience black and whit tv. To pong. Then Atari TV games. My first puter was an Atari 400. I remember when calculators became affordable. And LED watches. They seem so simple now but, once those items could be considered luxury. AC? Yeah. I remember when I was a kid and my family could finally afford one. Now iPhones? iPads? I worked on a computer that filled an entire room. It had hard drives and the top was see through and the platters inside were larger than record albums. I did the math once and it was only like 10 megabytes. It was like 3 feet tall and 2 ft long and across. And as tech continues to advance we get the snow ball effect. Tech is generating tech now. I mean the tools we have available and knowledge beckons even tighter tolerances. Better tools. Better manufacturing methods. More efficient and affordable. It's truly been an amazing time for many of us middle agers.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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ttystikk said:
The next generation of cars will be electric and they'll last longer, need less maintenance and be far more efficient. As Tesla has proven, they needn't be boring, either!

Model S P85D with the 'ludicrous speed' option- seriously- runs a 2.5 sec 0-60. Quick enough to be uncomfortable, lol 85 mpg equivalent. Quiet and reliable as my toaster.
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If it's not good for Halliburton......... It becomes an uphill battle.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/modi-discusses-battery-technologys-impact-on-india-at-tesla/article7694594.ece



Oh, if I could only afford one, but the home batteries, now thats something I have my eye on.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Ha! I remember reading about Tesla in Wired magazine I had a subscription for. Back then they used lap top batteries. For sure things are changing. RAPIDLY! Being 50 I've had the opportunity to experience black and whit tv. To pong. Then Atari TV games. My first puter was an Atari 400. I remember when calculators became affordable. And LED watches. They seem so simple now but, once those items could be considered luxury. AC? Yeah. I remember when I was a kid and my family could finally afford one. Now iPhones? iPads? I worked on a computer that filled an entire room. It had hard drives and the top was see through and the platters inside were larger than record albums. I did the math once and it was only like 10 megabytes. It was like 3 feet tall and 2 ft long and across. And as tech continues to advance we get the snow ball effect. Tech is generating tech now. I mean the tools we have available and knowledge beckons even tighter tolerances. Better tools. Better manufacturing methods. More efficient and affordable. It's truly been an amazing time for many of us middle agers.
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I'm your age- I've seen and used those computers with Winchester hard drives!

I was born the same year the Boeing 747 entered regular service, 1966. I used to sell Commodore computers, lol

The PC and more the Internet are both technological revolutions we've seen. I think the next one will be computer controlled, 3D 'printed' products from artwork to housing.

Here's an example of a good friend's artwork using a CNC waterjet table;
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I believe we here on forums like this are driving another revolution, one of taking our food supply back from the industrial machine. Along with everyone else here, I'm taking all of the advances you've mentioned above and building a new way to feed people that will very soon be a cost competitive alternative to traditional approaches.

The future is bright;
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And abundant;
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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ttystikk said:
Fuck the home battery, look into fuel cells.
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Here's why; a battery just stores power- you still need to generate it somehow. Solar cells are nice, but they don't provide a lot of amps to get shit done with.

What's needed is an efficient power supply that creates plenty of amps when we need it, and that's a fuel cell. It takes the same natural gas from the utility but instead of just burning it for heat, it converts it into electricity at between 40-65% efficiency, and what's left is still usable heat. So now you get both.
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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ttystikk said:
I'm your age- I've seen and used those computers with Winchester hard drives!

I was born the same year the Boeing 747 entered regular service, 1966. I used to sell Commodore computers, lol

The PC and more the Internet are both technological revolutions we've seen. I think the next one will be computer controlled, 3D 'printed' products from artwork to housing.

Here's an example of a good friend's artwork using a CNC waterjet table;
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I believe we here on forums like this are driving another revolution, one of taking our food supply back from the industrial machine. Along with everyone else here, I'm taking all of the advances you've mentioned above and building a new way to feed people that will very soon be a cost competitive alternative to traditional approaches.

The future is bright;
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And abundant;
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I had a Heath/Zenith desktop with monochrome monitor. It had 2 processors. One for running its own version of DOS and the other to run CPM(Commodore I think). I portioned the hard drive to two 5 MB partitions. I did a little programming back then in basic. It was military surplus after they went to straight MS-DOS based computers. I have an old magazine. It costs like $2000 back then with a 10 MB hard drive and you could get one in the civi world as a kit. Yep tech has come a long way.

Nice grow. I just do hempy and Lucas formula. My dad and grandfather were amazing outdoor gardeners. I unfortunately didn't receive there amazing talent and enthusiasm for that. But, much respect.
 
fandango

fandango

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Never did the 9-5 deal,I was a 7-3:30 worker.Working out in the sun all day,building you folks homes to live in.Spent about 40,000 hours out there banging nails and stuffing in duct work and voltage lines and stuff.
No benefits at all for me...but I now collect an ssi check of $675.00 a month...good thang I make more than that growing pot.
 
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