11/13 flower cycle

Joe Blows Trees

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I'm currently easing my ladies into 12/12 by reducing the light time 30min a day for ten days. On next Sat, day 10, I'll be at 12/12. From my reading I'm only going down to 11/13 around 4 weeks in and from reading this thread, I'll look into the pros and cons of increased light time near the end of flowering.
 

BobCajun

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I do 5on, 1off, 6on, 12off. Ive notice my plants are happier, and increase in quality.bongsmilie
I found an article about the opposite of your flower light cycle for use in veg mode. See pg 77 here. It says growth is vastly enhanced using 12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off over what you get with 18/6. I guess it would be similar to my proposed 6/6 cycle but I suspect that mine would work even better due to photosynthesis supposedly stalling after the first 6 hours of light. This way they never get more than 6 at a time.These novel light cycles are going to revolutionize weed growing by saving power, speeding up harvests and confusing meter reading cops.
 

bravedave

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no need for the disrespect man, he didn't come at you disrespectfully.
We have enough of that on this forum, i think he has a valid point on watering, some don't realize that.

the secret t growing large flowering plants is to grow large vegetative plants man, that much light and your density is gonna be an issue, unless your flowers are light... but mine are always sagging down and needing support
Darth comes in being the self-appointed expert and contrarian asshole in most every thread and every subject he decides to shit in or on. He deserves no defense. As far as I have seen, he is very good with google and CutnPaste. I question, if not the content, the source, of his every picture and post.
 

Darth Vapour

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I found an article about the opposite of your flower light cycle for use in veg mode. See pg 77 here. It says growth is vastly enhanced using 12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off over what you get with 18/6. I guess it would be similar to my proposed 6/6 cycle but I suspect that mine would work even better due to photosynthesis supposedly stalling after the first 6 hours of light. This way they never get more than 6 at a time.
again where on earth do you see this ??? could this be one of the culprits that cause many growers to see hermies and nanners from light stress
we all know when flipping to flower what we have to understand is Auxins are pretty much what we're looking at & may appear to be light sensitive as they move to the shaded areas of the plant of the apical dominate stems, also related to plant organ production which we may think off pre flowers/buds/pistals etc
From my own experience a large majority of growth does occur through out the night time period !
This i presume to be the optimal time of auxins hormone & growth ? as light may cause lower levels of the hormone ?
Hence some may believe a prolonged period of darkness may enhance early flowering by increasing hormone level etc !
Now my theory on this is down to - veg lighting regime...
If using 24/7, 20/4 & even 18/6 may lower auxin levels hence a longer early flowering phase or intill sexed or pistils are formed, due to lack of night/dark hours.
I may put this total darkness before flowering, down to growers using above lighting regime - hence this method being used ?
Where as growers who use a more normal lighting regime or longer dark periods are less likely to suffer with longer/late early flowering as auxin levels may be more normal than when switched to 12/12 flowering regime.
It may be wrong !

I'm just a guy who's been a gardener for some 20 years expanding his knowledge basis, easy done when knowing the basic's...


P.s - i'm not botanist or hold a degree in the matter & all of the above is a self educated assumption based on what was aviable to me to read asap to form my conculsion !


If interested in the matter, home work/research is always worth while

Darth comes in being the self-appointed expert and contrarian asshole in most every thread and every subject he decides to shit in or on. He deserves no defense. As far as I have seen, he is very good with google and CutnPaste. I question, if not the content, the source, of his every picture and post.
Yo Brave question this ??? lmao IMG2609.jpg
 

bravedave

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again where on earth do you see this ??? could this be one of the culprits that cause many growers to see hermies and nanners from light stress
we all know when flipping to flower what we have to understand is Auxins are pretty much what we're looking at & may appear to be light sensitive as they move to the shaded areas of the plant of the apical dominate stems, also related to plant organ production which we may think off pre flowers/buds/pistals etc
From my own experience a large majority of growth does occur through out the night time period !
This i presume to be the optimal time of auxins hormone & growth ? as light may cause lower levels of the hormone ?
Hence some may believe a prolonged period of darkness may enhance early flowering by increasing hormone level etc !
Now my theory on this is down to - veg lighting regime...
If using 24/7, 20/4 & even 18/6 may lower auxin levels hence a longer early flowering phase or intill sexed or pistils are formed, due to lack of night/dark hours.
I may put this total darkness before flowering, down to growers using above lighting regime - hence this method being used ?
Where as growers who use a more normal lighting regime or longer dark periods are less likely to suffer with longer/late early flowering as auxin levels may be more normal than when switched to 12/12 flowering regime.
It may be wrong !

I'm just a guy who's been a gardener for some 20 years expanding his knowledge basis, easy done when knowing the basic's...


P.s - i'm not botanist or hold a degree in the matter & all of the above is a self educated assumption based on what was aviable to me to read asap to form my conculsion !


If interested in the matter, home work/research is always worth while



Yo Brave question this ??? lmao View attachment 3507983
I question why you are hiding all that yellowing in the back. Other than the dullness and early yellowing it looks alot like my first grow....
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Darth Vapour

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The thing is i know im a rookie and your going around acting all know it all giving the most basic advice
well dude when a person has grown for over 25 years you can act that way also ok .. thing is most threads are just right stupid not saying this one is but 99 percent of them rather then just posting and being lazy maybe learn by the search button on top of the page ?? That is what its really there for us vets are getting sick n tired of the same shit over n over
Growing is rather simple once you know the basics it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out
There is absolutely nothing wrong being a new grower or rookie as you call it follow basic horticultural practices and you will succeed.. start veering off of it and its a disaster waiting to happen ..
We can influence plant responses by many things but understanding again the basics will get her done
 
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SmokyLungs

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no need for the disrespect man, he didn't come at you disrespectfully.
We have enough of that on this forum, i think he has a valid point on watering, some don't realize that.

the secret t growing large flowering plants is to grow large vegetative plants man, that much light and your density is gonna be an issue, unless your flowers are light... but mine are always sagging down and needing support
Your late read his first post very disrespectful
 

daloudpack

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well dude when a person has grown for over 25 years you can act that was also ok thing is most threads are just right stupid not saying this one is but 99 percent of them rather then just posting and being lazy maybe learn by the search button on top of the page us vets are getting sick n tired of the same shit over n over

then how bout dont read the threads it clearly states a members senority status, u dont have to read new memeber threads .... a shitty attitude is discouraging and while i agree newbies dont want to put in the read time , theres no need to be a DICK
 

SmokyLungs

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well dude when a person has grown for over 25 years you can act that was also ok thing is most threads are just right stupid not saying this one is but 99 percent of them rather then just posting and being lazy maybe learn by the search button on top of the page us vets are getting sick n tired of the same shit over n over
Yeah but most old post get carried away from the topic and have multiple pages im not gonna read all that when i get newer more updated opinions and if thats the case then this website would never be what it is if we cant continue to ask the same questions because all grows have the same basics right?and if your tired of the same question being asked why bother clicking on the link? Let someone else of the many members on this website chime in then you are not mandated here
 

greasemonkeymann

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Darth comes in being the self-appointed expert and contrarian asshole in most every thread and every subject he decides to shit in or on. He deserves no defense. As far as I have seen, he is very good with google and CutnPaste. I question, if not the content, the source, of his every picture and post.
i know he can be a lil cantankerous, but his pics, advice and plants are for real man.
I was only pointing out that he wasn't being disrespectful.
he is a lil rough around the edges but he's an alright guy.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Your late read his first post very disrespectful
unless he edited, i disagree, i just re-read the thread...look man, me and darth have disagreed before, it's important to look at this site as a collective, you can respectfully disagree, and that's where things happen, mostly good things. Like learning.
Me and darth grow differently, similar, but different, but he is a damn good grower, especially considering where he is geographically.
I mean shit man, i've put him on "ignore" before
can't remember why though... but i'm a stoner.
Point is, you can learn a LOT by people that do things differently than you.
Maybe you should look at it differently, YES i know he can be abrasive and opinionated but don't let that detract from the knowledge he obviously has.
You feel me?
 

greasemonkeymann

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Yeah but most old post get carried away from the topic and have multiple pages im not gonna read all that when i get newer more updated opinions and if thats the case then this website would never be what it is if we cant continue to ask the same questions because all grows have the same basics right?and if your tired of the same question being asked why bother clicking on the link? Let someone else of the many members on this website chime in then you are not mandated here
that's the problem.
99.9999999999% of the time all you need to know is already there.
 

Darth Vapour

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Owe i know i can surely come off as a prick and i get easily offensive as i age i am a father and if i was to be a new father tomorrow i would be the most miserable father around lol
I just do not have a patience that i used to everyone grows differently but at the end its still grown the with same basic knowledge as we get more experienced we note changes we done for better or worse and its a lesson not to tread that path again right
as for this thread yes like mother nature every day from summer on we lose daylight slowly by autum or sept 21 weather you @ 60 north lat or at - 60 degree south you will still have 12 hrs of sunlight right lol
So there is nothing wrong with going into 11 hrs of light and 13 off last week of flower but good practice would be to follow the seasons find out info on the strain and its region on relative RH temps and normally they harvest that plant and and extrapolate it to the light hrs there
http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html

its no different then comparing THC content from a plant grown near the equator then one grown in the hindu mountains the sativa will 99 percent of the time win and its pretty much 12 hrs a day and 12 hrs of night all year round but the difference is intensity of the light not the darkness
 

greasemonkeymann

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hah... uhh wellllll.....
not touching this one...
Like i said, we don't agree on all.
One of my buddies on this site is a diehard republican/conservative, THAT doesn't mean i don't still like him.
just means that politics and religion are things BEST KEPT TO ONESELF.
like tryin to convince somebody his sexual preferences aren't the right ones..
what ever you want to believe is fine.
You think overweight harry women are attractive? Well than that's ok.
Personally i don't talk about religion or politics on this site.
I just don't.
I stand by what i said though, just because he doesn't believe in global warming doesn't mean he can't grow good herb.
In hindsight i think it was something along those lines that made me "ignore" him a ways back.
This is a pot-growing forum guys...
 

Final Phase

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Since I'm around them 24 hrs. a day they get a light change up to simulate dark cloudy days, etc. Each of the 3 sections have the light turned off for an hour each day while the others stay on... Less in electric cost for sure - If I loose yeild it won't be enough to worry about that's for sure.
 

bravedave

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hah... uhh wellllll.....
not touching this one...
Like i said, we don't agree on all.
One of my buddies on this site is a diehard republican/conservative, THAT doesn't mean i don't still like him.
just means that politics and religion are things BEST KEPT TO ONESELF.
like tryin to convince somebody his sexual preferences aren't the right ones..
what ever you want to believe is fine.
You think overweight harry women are attractive? Well than that's ok.
Personally i don't talk about religion or politics on this site.
I just don't.
I stand by what i said though, just because he doesn't believe in global warming doesn't mean he can't grow good herb.
In hindsight i think it was something along those lines that made me "ignore" him a ways back.
This is a pot-growing forum guys...
OMG. Not a conservative!!!! The horror!!! You don't have to touch it but if what he expresses there towards the end makes him an "alright guy" with you then you too would be an immoral ass.
 
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