Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

[sheskunk]

Washington DC
Spain
Et al

Oregon.

Prison time for dealers.

 

[ChesusRice]

Oregon.

Prison time for dealers.

Colorado
Prison time for dealers who don't comply with the 136 pages of laws regarding retail sales

 

[Rob Roy]

Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell
Current law everything is illegal.
Why do you build so many strawmen?

Answer this. Can a 13 year old consent to sex with a adult?

Don't run from the question. You have stated that the answer it's yes.

So you are admitting you have proposed prohibition in your law? Good, it's about time, Prohibitionist.

A person capable of consenting to an act, can consent to it. A person incapable of an act can't consent to it...Isn't that self evident?

Is there a set time frame for every individual person to reach the ability to consent to things ? Should that time frame be imposed universally by edict is the question you don't consider, much less inquire about what the answer might be. Also, just because a person may indulge in behaviors they have consented to, does not mean I endorse all of those behaviors. For instance as an adult I've no interest in ladies much younger than me for a variety of my own reasons. As a teenager I had no interest per se in middle aged women, and thought older teens were worthy of my interest. Funny how you fail to recognize perspective.

It's not my intention to run others lives though, based on your prohibition proposal and fascination with continuing discourse over insisting there is a standard time frame for all people to acquire control over their own bodies, I'd say you endorse running others lives for them. Sorry to hear that.

At 13 I've already said I would have consensually jumped the bones of an 18 year old lass When did you acquire the ability to make determinations about your own body ? How old were you?

Oh wait a minute, you don't think people SHOULD own themselves at least in some circumstances, you've proposed a permission based "solution" from a coercive third party, which of course is no solution at all.

So, in short, you ARE a prohibitionist and I think it's not up to me to run others lives for them, even when I disagree with how they peacefully might chose to do it.

 

[ChesusRice]

So you are admitting you have proposed prohibition in your law? Good, it's about time, Prohibitionist.

A person capable of consenting to an act, can consent to it. A person incapable of an act can't consent to it...Isn't that self evident?

Is there a set time frame for every individual person to reach the ability to consent to things ? Should that time frame be imposed universally by edict is the question you don't consider, much less inquire about what the answer might be. Also, just because a person may indulge in behaviors they have consented to, does not mean I endorse all of those behaviors. For instance as an adult I've no interest in ladies much younger than me for a variety of my own reasons. As a teenager I had no interest per se in middle aged women, and thought older teens were worthy of my interest. Funny how you fail to recognize perspective.

It's not my intention to run others lives though, based on your prohibition proposal and fascination with continuing discourse over insisting there is a standard time frame for all people to acquire control over their own bodies, I'd say you endorse running others lives for them. Sorry to hear that.

At 13 I've already said I would have consensually jumped the bones of an 18 year old lass When did you acquire the ability to make determinations about your own body ? How old were you?

Oh wait a minute, you don't think people SHOULD own themselves at least in some circumstances, you've proposed a permission based "solution" from a coercive third party, which of course is no solution at all.

So, in short, you ARE a prohibitionist and I think it's not up to me to run others lives for them, even when I disagree with how they peacefully might chose to do it.

Strawman ad hominen attack and a person that Is likely a pedophile

 

[sheskunk]

Colorado
Prison time for dealers who don't comply with the 136 pages of laws regarding retail sales

So it's legal to sell.

 

[Rob Roy]

Strawman ad hominen attack and a person that Is likely a pedophile

Erroneous innuendo, by a person that IS a Prohibitionist.

So, when did you reach an age when you were capable of deciding how you would use your own body? How old were you?

Have you reached that age yet?

 

[ChesusRice]

Erroneous innuendo, by a person that IS a Prohibitionist.

So, when did you reach an age when you were capable of deciding how you would use your own body? How old were you?

Have you reached that age yet?

Sounds like you support the idea of children consenting to sex with an ADULT at the age of 13.

 

[Rob Roy]

Sounds like you support the idea of children consenting to sex with an ADULT at the age of 13.

I support the idea that forced human interactions are bad, even when codified by a Prohibitionist like yourself that attempts to rationalize the force away in his prohibitionist proposals.

Also, you never said when you acquired the ability to determine the use of your own body? Afraid to answer?

 

[ChesusRice]

Children cannot consent to sex with an adult.
A position you don't agree with.

 

[see4]

Interesting use of the word, "wrong". Didn't you mean if you've done something, "illegal" ?

Doing something illegal and doing something wrong are often two different things.

No I meant wrong. It's not illegal to be black, but in some places, it's wrong.

 

[Fogdog]

You are wrong, sorry, Chesus bill should be shat upon.

It suggests that somehow working with an idea that removes our rights and replaces them with granted permission is somehow a win, which is absurd. It's just kinder slavery and blatantly acknowledges we aren't free.

I don't want or need permission to own myself to be granted from a coercive entity, I already own myself, so do you. Claim that right or creep meakly to masters back door for some left over hamhocks...but don't kid yourself when you do, you will still be a slave.

Treating slaves a little better is not a solution.... it's just a way for slavers to keep the plantation going and quell any real freedom talk.

Your suggested default position for "compromise" STILL criminalizes people for peaceful self determination. It fails to address the root problems / causes of prohibition. If another person or body of persons can determine what you or I ingest, THAT is the problem. Address THAT, not the conditions of your servitude. Why is servitude to another a foregone conclusion?


The default position shouldn't be we require permission to ingest something or trade in it with other willing people, the default position should be freedom based, not permission based.

"Prohibition lite" legislative bills are permission based and fail to recognize every person owns themself, no people own others. Strike the root causes if you want a real solution.

Nobody is saying that legalizing growing would be the end of the MJ legalization effort. I don't think @ChesusRice is proposing a static situation, rather a way move forward. He's not proposing prohibition either, prohibition has been in place for 50 years or more and his proposal chips away at it.

You keep on preaching, though. Maybe it will work. It hasn't yet but maybe one day the whole country or maybe even the population of the whole world will just wake up, give itself a dope slap and agree with you. Or maybe you will just have to preach until hell freezes over...

 

[ChesusRice]

Nobody is saying that legalizing growing would be the end of the MJ legalization effort. I don't think @ChesusRice is proposing a static situation, rather a way move forward. He's not proposing prohibition either, prohibition has been in place for 50 years or more and his proposal chips away at it.

You keep on preaching, though. Maybe it will work. It hasn't yet but maybe one day the whole country or maybe even the population of the whole world will just wake up, give itself a dope slap and agree with you. Or maybe you will just have to preach until hell freezes over...

He thinks children can consent to sex with adults. And he thinks that's a good thing.

 

[Rob Roy]

No I meant wrong. It's not illegal to be black, but in some places, it's wrong.

Okay, thanks for the clarification of your meaning.

 

[Rob Roy]

Nobody is saying that legalizing growing would be the end of the MJ legalization effort. I don't think @ChesusRice is proposing a static situation, rather a way move forward. He's not proposing prohibition either, prohibition has been in place for 50 years or more and his proposal chips away at it.

You keep on preaching, though. Maybe it will work. It hasn't yet but maybe one day the whole country or maybe even the population of the whole world will just wake up, give itself a dope slap and agree with you. Or maybe you will just have to preach until hell freezes over...

His motive for the law was based in using government as a form of protectionism and to enable artificially high prices to prevail through the guns of prohibition. It also includes a built in assumption of jail time for people engaging in free and peaceful trade....dumb idea.

You just keep on accepting that addressing symptoms rather than root causes will do anything other than effect a furniture rearrangement. Hey, doesn't that couch look good over there? Thank you government !

 

[Rob Roy]

He thinks children can consent to sex with adults. And he thinks that's a good thing.

No, I think people that have the capacity to consent can consent. If they don't have the capacity, they can't consent. I think what people that have the capacity to consent, consent to, is not my business, or yours.

I think the age people reach that is not a standard that can be arbitrarily set by the same people that brought Prohibition and slavery to others. I think it varies depending upon the individual.

Also, you've never said at which age you believe you gained the capacity to control your own body....scared?
I suggested I gained that capacity regarding choosing sexual relations, as a teenager, do you think that is impossible? Why is that?

I don't "think" you proposed a law that runs rough shod over freedom and ensures prices will be artificially high, you did, it's a fact.
....Then you have the nerve to say you're not a prohibitionist, Prohibitionist.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

Okay.... Robbyboy let me ask you something.... And answer honestly.

If an adult male of undetermined age gets consent from a 14 year old female, is he a pedophile?

This is a yes or no question. I dont wanna hear anything else. Yes, or no.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

And by the way, can you stop using the word prohibitionist.... It doesn't make you sound smart, just repetitive. Try to widen your vocabulary.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

Did you really just shoot yourself in the foot like that?

Your purpose of making it illegal to sell, was to prevent what? A competitive market.

You wanted to protect small time growers by keeping large scale growers from using economies of scale which would then bring lower retail prices. Your method of ensuring that was to restrict the market, via PROHIBITING SALES....dolt.

Here, I'll make it easy on you, let's leave your prohibition proposal alone for a bit and you can address your controlling personality in other ways....

Which age did you gain the ability to control your own body / gain the ability to consent to how it would be used? Is that age a standard age that everyone arrives at magically or does it vary from person to person?

Actually sir, its been proven that puberty doesn't end until early 20s. So even a 17 year old is still likely so full of hormones he/she isnt capable of making a clear decision on weather sex is okay.

 

[Rob Roy]

Okay.... Robbyboy let me ask you something.... And answer honestly.

If an adult male of undetermined age gets consent from a 14 year old female, is he a pedophile?

This is a yes or no question. I dont wanna hear anything else. Yes, or no.

Do you have shit on the bottom of your shoe?...Cuz you smell an awful lot like a certain Poopy Pants.

Do all parties have the ability to consent and is all duress absent is the first thing I'd want to know. If that exists, it's not my business to mind other peoples business for them, even if I disagree with their proposed actions is it?

Also, I think the legal definition of what a pedophile is varies from place to place. I'm not interested in a discussion of, or engaging in that kind of relationship, so any affirmative answer wouldn't represent my preference, it would be my observation of what other peoples preferences were. Nice try though.

Have you been eyeing the babysitter again? Yes or no, I don't want to hear any other answer.

 

[see4]

Actually sir, its been proven that puberty doesn't end until early 20s. So even a 17 year old is still likely so full of hormones he/she isnt capable of making a clear decision on weather sex is okay.

Unless it's anal. There's nothing wrong with anal sex. Amiright fddskunk?