Soil Recipe for clones
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green_machine_two9er
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Coir, perlite, roots. Equal parts. Works well for me.
greasemonkeymann
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if they have nice and established roots I just stick mine in half compost half used soil.
this is a good safe recipe.
I've planted clones directly in ocean forest, vermifire, roots, most potted soil will do alright for clones.
SEEDS on the other hand though...
MistaRasta
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1/3 peat
1/3 compost
1/3 pumice/lava rock
To each cuft add:
1/2 cup crab meal
1/2 cup kelp meal
1 cup gypsum
1 cup oyster shell flour (ph)
They're clones, that's all they need,
Watch em thrive.
1/3 compost
1/3 pumice/lava rock
To each cuft add:
1/2 cup crab meal
1/2 cup kelp meal
1 cup gypsum
1 cup oyster shell flour (ph)
They're clones, that's all they need,
Watch em thrive.
phil k
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how long are you planning on keeping them in the soil?
theres absolutely no need for amended soil to veg out clones. using something as simple as 1/2 ocean forest 1/2 light warrior is more than enough (too much IMOP) to feed clones through a soil program.
Mista rastas program isnt a bad idea ...... but crab meal takes way too long to break into food for your plants especially in the short time you will be using it.. Kelp meal is just good for micro life .. theres really very very little available food in it. and when your using things to adjust soil ph, its something that needs to be done ahead of time because some PH adjustments take over 3 months to even establish and begin to work.....
honestly i wouldn't make things harder on yourself especially when dealing with clones.. if you do make a mistake or his soil is too hot it can burn the heck out of the plants which also stunts the growth. I'm not a huge fan of fully amended soils anyway they have a lot of different issues they can create. grease monkey is right just simplify your stuff and get a roots soil or ocean forest (id get roots before i bought ocean forest but either is fine) cut it by 50% and plant all you will need is water till you transplant.
theres absolutely no need for amended soil to veg out clones. using something as simple as 1/2 ocean forest 1/2 light warrior is more than enough (too much IMOP) to feed clones through a soil program.
Mista rastas program isnt a bad idea ...... but crab meal takes way too long to break into food for your plants especially in the short time you will be using it.. Kelp meal is just good for micro life .. theres really very very little available food in it. and when your using things to adjust soil ph, its something that needs to be done ahead of time because some PH adjustments take over 3 months to even establish and begin to work.....
honestly i wouldn't make things harder on yourself especially when dealing with clones.. if you do make a mistake or his soil is too hot it can burn the heck out of the plants which also stunts the growth. I'm not a huge fan of fully amended soils anyway they have a lot of different issues they can create. grease monkey is right just simplify your stuff and get a roots soil or ocean forest (id get roots before i bought ocean forest but either is fine) cut it by 50% and plant all you will need is water till you transplant.
MistaRasta
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Why would you go through all the trouble of amending and growing true living just to go out and buy a ridiculously over priced bag of soil that you could literally make for a quarter of the price..?
I'd much rather just use some peat/ewc/pumice...
They'd do just fine. The other ingredients are for some serious growth , most definitely not needed, but my clones love it.
As far as time allotted for the soil to break down.. That is subjective by all means. By the time I harvest my next bin of recycled soil is ready to go.
When I take clones out. they go straight into a 1 liter pot. Which isn't much soil at all.. I make about 50 gallons of "clone/seedling soil." Which will last me almost a year. I'm pretty sure the crab meal will have time to break down. Just be patient, I mean, it is a staple in organics.
Forte
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I plan to keep them in soil the whole grow. I have them in 1/2 gallon pots,and I plan to transplant them to two gallon pots next month.
I ended up just mixing some sphagnum peat with ewc, compost, and lava rock. I put half a tbsp of oyster shell, glacial rock dust, kelp meal, azomite. I'll top dress with some gypsum later.
I ended up just mixing some sphagnum peat with ewc, compost, and lava rock. I put half a tbsp of oyster shell, glacial rock dust, kelp meal, azomite. I'll top dress with some gypsum later.
MistaRasta
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Yeah, that's what I did and still do. Some strains (mainly diesel type) would like only having the base mix.
All The minerals sound great but are definitely not needed at this point.. The only mineral id use at this point would be the gypsum because it breaks down very fast. The oyster shell is optional, I put it in everything , can't hurt to make sure my ph is always in check.
But I will go ahead and say that Phil K was right, I wouldn't go with the crab meal. I'd just go with the base mix with some kelp and gypsum added. Add alfalfa/kelp teas as necessary..
phil k
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LOL someone took offense to truth... unfortunately i am not a fan of TLO either . it sucks and your using a fully amended soil system which is even more of a rip off.. but I'm pretty sure your not making the soils or buying the supplies its very expensive to purchase clean, organic, non-gmo, amendments, bagging, labeling and many other things i can get into that all add into company costs. clearly you can go buy your own shit locally and make whatever you want. but the fact of the matter is your soils aren't being tested to ensure your properly balancing the system.. that the PH of the system is properly balanced and not a guess... and many newer better companies are making systems that feed plants from veg to harvest without ever doing anything or requireing transplanting or anything.
but regardless of what you wanna think or say crab meal takes time to break down and become useful to the plant
look I'm not downing your post I'm telling him to be a bit simpler for him to go get a small bag of crab meal its going to be about 13$ then the kelp meal ranges from about 15-19$ for a small bag...gypsum 8-9$.... oyster shell 9-10$ then he will need a bail pete (smallest bag is 9$) bag of pumice (12-13$) compost (if he can find good clean compost with no bugs) 10-15$ a bag.. then he has to make it all give it a bit of time to heat and cool ... all while he could have gone and got a bag of light warrior for 25$ and not do shit.... wow what a rip off...
phil k
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actually no i would say add crab meal theres other benefits to crab meal it works as a bug deterrent. and supplies a good amount of micro life also ... it does eventually break down.. you can get many different grades some much finer down to powders that can be utilized much faster than say neptunes harvest. ... and yes i recommend the alfalfa meal as well much lighter feed also works as a probiotic to the plant in a secondary process....
honestly look if you want a seedling mix and don't want to buy a premade system do this go get promix HP don't get anything less its a super porus system you can add amendments to and still have good purosity.. get a worm casting instead of a compost much cleaner and less chance of bugs and shitty stuff... then get some guano..and if you wanna get crazy get some green sand (use very lightly) and something like kelp or alfalfa meal. to a extent thats basically light warrior.. they run the base mix a bit different but thats pretty much it.. that mix would be light enough to use fairly soon without any burn on the clones and depending on the veg time will feed them for most their veg if not all of it.
green_machine_two9er
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I can't say I agree at all. I mean for people really running with a soil program are buying tiny little bags of this or that. We get large amounts 50lb bags and just have a constant supply on hand. At least I do. Only makes since. And compared to buying hundreds and hundreds of solars in bottles nutrients. Organic farmers have to invest in amendments. However. I always have plenty of store bought soil laying around to. Light warrior. Ocean Forres. Roots. Even some basement mix. Sometimes quick an easy is better.
MistaRasta
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Both of these posts prove you're an idiot...Not even going to mention the others
Please don't expect a response from me either..
Good luck on your choice Forte
Midwest Weedist
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You're doing it wrong then. I've saved SO MUCH FUCKING money by building my own soils. And that's even with ordering a lot of stuff online from places like bas.
Stop buying tiny amounts and or stop getting ripped off.
Those store bought soils are mostly peat or coir, that's why they're cheap. Take a bag of ffof or ffhp, wet it down and then compare it to an equal volume of high quality hand built soil that's also been wet down. The Fox farm soil will be exponential lighter than the "custom" soil.
Bagged soils are mostly shit and good for wasting your money. Even as a base you're better off buying bulk coir or peat and doing it yourself.
You seem salty about doing it yourself, did you have a bad experience?
greasemonkeymann
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he sells soil mixes, so he'll be partial about it..
Phil and I have had our VAST differences, we grow very differently, and some of our philosophies are just different from each other.
BUT that being said i'll say he's been a lil less argumentative recently..
and again, That being said, I do agree with him (surprise!).. for clones I prefer a soil that has already had a run through it, or a simple bagged soil.
I agree with this, but only on the premise that you don't have any old soil leftover.. which we all should.
I don't make a mix strictly for my clones.
BUT i'm not sure that's what Midwest weediest was recommending... I think he was just disagreeing with the statement of it being "crazy expensive"
For me?
I had everything I needed with around 100 bucks or so, and that was like seven runs ago...
So it's waaaay cheaper for me...
phil k
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yeah i don't do "clone mixes" either... kinda waste of materials and time really...you can AT WORST cut your current soils to make them weaker as opposed to a "clone only" soil mix..
phil k
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yeah granted your having all the excess for more.. i feel that but i think that the basic crap like light warrior (most exsensive option) you pay like 25$ or something for the bag so thats maybe 5 runs worth to your 7 runs with excess.. i feel like if you know what your really doing and pumping out a good amount of stuff monthly then id lean twords making it myself but for the smaller growers.. and even newer guys getting into that crap can break you and make everything much worse than better if you screw up something. getting the soil pre made with no worries or troubles and getting grows under your belt over and over in my mind is more important for people than just jumping in and making crap themselves. ya know what i mean... heck i am all for DIY and stuff and i truly think nutrient or even a lot of the soil companies are eating peoples money like candy .. but there is reasoning behind it.
now if you wanna talk about companies that screw growers over ... RAW (the amendment guys) are killing it.. they sell like a cup of their amendment products for 15-20$+ its nuts.. same with companies like house of gardens and stuff they are killing it .