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Rahz

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I noticed the same thing regarding 120v. This makes Inventronics drivers worth looking at (many of them are 92% effecient).

Anyway, thread turned out interesting. I guess ebay it is... eventually, if nobody wants it cheap. It will stay in my pile of things I don't want but am too lazy to get rid of. I'm waiting for the pile to reach critical mass before I break down and ebay.

Maybe a crappy consolidation prize for 2nd place in the cup comp?

I would try some parallel strings of series, I also like the handful of ebay 100 watter idea, but I have all the lamps I need ATM. I've built 4 for myself to be exact. Admittedly 3 of them were simple passively cooled creatures, but the latest fan cooled creation worked out quite nice. I sold it to a buddy who a week later wanted his money back because it killed his plants! Now it's above 4 babies and 2 mommas and they're all lovin' it like it's Mc D's. (Seriously, don't love Mc D's that stuff is bad for you). So anything else I build will be for profit. I have been purchasing metal working tools. :) Should have some interesting things to show in the next couple months.

As a matter of fact, this is a great opportunity to bitch about my sheet metal misadventures. About 4 months ago I decide to have some enclosures made locally. I contacted a few people and was turned on to a sheet metal guy not far from my location. I discuss my project with him and he seemed to take an interest. I had two designs and he was able to produce a couple prototypes at reasonable prices within 2 weeks. They were almost perfect so I asked him to make me a short run of the design I liked most. 3 weeks later no word so I call him. He hadn't gotten around to it yet and mentioned it being a small job. A couple weeks later I contacted a 2nd metal worker and had him produce a test subject. Absolute crap (unusable) and he wanted $150 for it!! About a week later I contact a third metal guy and I suspect his work would have been top notch but he wanted $90 each which was a bit more than my target expense and $25 more than the first guy. So almost 3 months later I said fuck it, I'll do it myself. So yea, the moment I involved other people in my project is the moment the project ground to a halt. If you want it done right... blah blah.

/rant
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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So then enlighten us. What's dangerous about wiring strings in parallel? What testing procedures need to be followed? What concerns should the builder address with such a circuit?

Honestly, I figure it's a given that people go through the motions of basic testing procedures. Rhaz has several builds under his belt so I figured I didn't have to walk him through step by step how to build his lamp and discuss the intricacies of a serial vs parallel wiring scheme.
i don't understand why you got to jump my shit all the time but Meinolf described it well i just think people should pay attention to what they are doing so please continue being an ass and belittling me simply because i check my work and i have some basic understanding of electricity and wish others would understand what's going on rather then just taking your word for it.. i don't understand why all you regular led section people have to act all high and mighty all the time
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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You can pick up a basic multimeter at the hardware store for less than $20. Its not as complicated as you seem to think to messure this stuff.

Wiring them in parallel also carries a small risk of frying the whole string.
even you can admit that it's dangerous why do you gotta jump me cause i want others to understand? even if it can take the load what about heat from your cob suddenly getting more power is everyone's operation ready for that? Honestly why jump my posts man?
 

nevergoodenuf

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I am sorry that I didn't say that I had multiple cob lights that I have been using for over a year that have been run in parallel. I just removed one hundred watt cen100 driver that had 2 bridgelux cobs per driver. Now one driver is running 4. I did check forward voltage on all cob and only had .05 voltage difference. Now I have 3 extra drivers and plan on running the new Veros with them. I wish I could afford new stuff now, so I use what I've got.
 

bicit

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i don't understand why you got to jump my shit all the time but Meinolf described it well i just think people should pay attention to what they are doing so please continue being an ass and belittling me simply because i check my work and i have some basic understanding of electricity and wish others would understand what's going on rather then just taking your word for it.. i don't understand why all you regular led section people have to act all high and mighty all the time
I don't know when I ever 'jumped your shit' as you put it. I never denied that electricity is dangerous. I never said testing was a bad thing. All I said was that a parallel configuration is perfectly fine, that a multi meter can be purchased inexpensively, and that rahz probably didn't need this broken down.

even you can admit that it's dangerous why do you gotta jump me cause i want others to understand? even if it can take the load what about heat from your cob suddenly getting more power is everyone's operation ready for that? Honestly why jump my posts man?
I'm not 'jumping your posts'... I don't even know what that's supposed to imply. Honestly, for the most part that sort of in depth conversation is outside the scope of the topic in the original post. What I gave him was a couple general idea's of what he could do with his power supply. This whole discussion of properly testing stuff, while a very important discussion, was also kinda outta left field for this topic.

I also suggested buck drivers, should I have listed the testing procedures and wiring diagram for those as well? No, because it wasn't really that relevant at the moment in time. Especially it sounds like he's not even going to use it.

Sorry to clutter your thread @Rahz
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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I don't know when I ever 'jumped your shit' as you put it. I never denied that electricity is dangerous. I never said testing was a bad thing. All I said was that a parallel configuration is perfectly fine, that a multi meter can be purchased inexpensively, and that rahz probably didn't need this broken down.



I'm not 'jumping your posts'... I don't even know what that's supposed to imply. Honestly, for the most part that sort of in depth conversation is outside the scope of the topic in the original post. What I gave him was a couple general idea's of what he could do with his power supply. This whole discussion of properly testing stuff, while a very important discussion, was also kinda outta left field for this topic.

I also suggested buck drivers, should I have listed the testing procedures and wiring diagram for those as well? No, because it wasn't really that relevant at the moment in time. Especially it sounds like he's not even going to use it.

Sorry to clutter your thread @Rahz
so just to recap you agree with everything i said the example you gave me from Mr flux coincides with everything that's been mentioned all the way down to him individually testing them yet you still picked on all my posts that's jumping on my posts just in case you still don't understand second this is a public thread not just got rahz so at the point of you not clearly explaining yourself for others i felt like your willfully spreading ignorance on how to run parallel strings is unfortunate you usually always have valuable input but all you did today was stomp on my character i gotta admit i thought you a much better person then that
 

Abiqua

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...thanks Abiqua... ...other good pdf (about electronic) to my library...;)

...electronic summer o_O...

:peace:

Saludos
You are welcome! but make sure and check it too!

I have posted this a few times over the last 18 mos....never with the diagrams though.........
they make it seem like Series, with the description of "string", but I do believe it is all parallel circuits :peace:
 

salmonetin

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...I dont use parallel with leds... guod point me about current mirror... now i understand a bit better her mental seed... thanks to you... ;)

...the protections with electronics .. the missing thread.:hump:.......thanks for another electronic summer lesssons...

:peace:

Saludos
 

Abiqua

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...I dont use parallel with leds... guod point me about current mirror... now i understand a bit better her mental seed... thanks to you... ;)

...the protections with electronics .. the missing thread.:hump:.......thanks for another electronic summer lesssons...

:peace:

Saludos
Me either, or I haven't so far.....but I think a point should be made.....the higher VF with parallel, should be cause for more concern aka circuitry....

That aside, lets work on this missing thread! eh? :joint:
 

PurpleBuz

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so just to recap you agree with everything i said the example you gave me from Mr flux coincides with everything that's been mentioned all the way down to him individually testing them yet you still picked on all my posts that's jumping on my posts just in case you still don't understand second this is a public thread not just got rahz so at the point of you not clearly explaining yourself for others i felt like your willfully spreading ignorance on how to run parallel strings is unfortunate you usually always have valuable input but all you did today was stomp on my character i gotta admit i thought you a much better person then that

you came in and made comments like a troll... and look even how many posts later your still provoking.
you haven't added anything to the thread of value. so go back under your bridge and smoke a joint before commenting again.

peace
 

AquariusPanta

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I wonder how well that article holds up in 2015, with COBS being binned and sharing similar operating characteristics with one another from the same series/make.

i don't understand why you got to jump my shit all the time but Meinolf described it well i just think people should pay attention to what they are doing so please continue being an ass and belittling me simply because i check my work and i have some basic understanding of electricity and wish others would understand what's going on rather then just taking your word for it.. i don't understand why all you regular led section people have to act all high and mighty all the time
Coming from someone that has been jumped on a bunch lately, Bicit means no harm and after looking over the last page, it's clearly you who are doing the jumping.
 

Abiqua

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I wonder how well that article holds up in 2015, with COBS being binned and sharing similar operating characteristics with one another from the same series/make.



Coming from someone that has been jumped on a bunch lately, Bicit means no harm and after looking over the last page, it's clearly you who are doing the jumping.
agree, and you missed the disclaimer

but binning doesn't stop thermal runaway, hence the circuitry....which even MR flux may have benefitted from....who knows, he never really did update or tabulate #'s......


My feeling.... is if there is a possible occurrence in a circuit, then it has to be addressed.

2 step or 4 step may be able to use lower caps to smooth the runaway and that would be a good thing in knowing, in reference to building that type of circuit....but it certainly does not solve the potential problem....:peace:
 

Rahz

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Parallel strings of series... of course.

Which could be an option using the driver in question with single diodes. Not keen on doing the research for that one but I suspect that's what the driver was designed for.
 

PurpleBuz

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correct me if I am wrong, but a cob is made up of parallel strings of diodes in series aren't they ?

I doubt cobs are using current mirrors, is there any other internal circuitry ? Seems the cobs are relying on averaging and consistency to keep each strings Vf close to each other. That may explain why the Chinese multi spectrum chips have a high rate of failure, too many diodes of varying Vf trying to run at the same current.

In the case of mr flux, using long strings of vero 10s, averaging Vf and binning keeps each string within tolerances to be able to run them in parallel. I don't think I would attempt it with just a few big cobs, since there aren't enough to average Vf together.
 

Abiqua

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correct me if I am wrong, but a cob is made up of parallel strings of diodes in series aren't they ?

I doubt cobs are using current mirrors, is there any other internal circuitry ? Seems the cobs are relying on averaging and consistency to keep each strings Vf close to each other. That may explain why the Chinese multi spectrum chips have a high rate of failure, too many diodes of varying Vf trying to run at the same current.

In the case of mr flux, using long strings of vero 10s, averaging Vf and binning keeps each string within tolerances to be able to run them in parallel. I don't think I would attempt it with just a few big cobs, since there aren't enough to average Vf together.
agree again.......and seeing runaway in a open circuit would be the worst case scenario in some or most? scenarios.....but the reality is not a 'working" circuit but resolving the differences in case of a lost [destroyed] diode in a parallel vs a series circuit....i would say those could be the best benefits of a thermal mirror.....:peace:

[think i broke my wrist all typed on my off hand.....whew]
 

Meinolf

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The mentioned driver provides 5,72A. With sufficient cooling (e.g. a topclass CPU cooler) there would be no problem at all to run only two V29 in parallel. Let one have 3,3A and the other 2,42A, it would still be fine. IF one fails, you would have a very short response time, most likely the other one gets fried. Thing is, I have not seen a Vero29 dud here yet. Still, if you're afraid you could be the first one, just use three then. If you want to experiment first, use the generic cobs. They have to be cooled costlier but can stand high currents.
 
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