another yellowing leaf problem

natureboygrower

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Hey all,sorry to beat a dead horse,but I feel I'm chasing my tail.these are critical kush,in 2.5 g air pruners,been outdoors for 6weeks.707 soil,been using biobizz fish,along with seaplex,calmag and mygrow for the past couple weeks.fed plants Thursday 1litre apiece of weak nutes.(.6ml fish,3.75ml mygrow,1ml calmag)noticed Thursday night,bottom fans yellowed right up.figured n def.due to relying on soil.fed today 1ml bb fish,1ml biobizz bloom,1ml seaplex,2ml calmax to 1 litre.I ph all my nutes.tonight when i got home yellowing seems worse.am I just pounding too much to these plants?I have some sativas getting pretty much same diet.(not as frequent waterings tho,sativas in bigger pots)so I flushed both 2.5 gallon kush with 7 gallons ph adjusted to 6.5 h2o.first runoffs were around 6.3,by end runoff was at 6.5.I then gave each plant a litre of quarter strength(.25) bio fish phed down to 6.5. Any ideas?thought maybe I was screwing ph up by adjusting ph,but first runoffs were at 6.3.maybe just too many nutes all at once every watering causing a lock out of nitrogen?any advice would be great.thanks crew
 

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polishpollack

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you have bright green on that leaf mixed with yellow leaf tips. this usually means over fert. if your soil has nutes in it already, you don't need to add much if any at all, at least not for quite a few weeks yet. I'm guessing it's like foxfarm or roots. just water it when the soil goes dry. don't worry about runoff pH. taking that is pretty pointless and just seems to cause confusion among growers more than anything else. be more concerned about what's in the soil already because that is what makes this work. worry more about getting the nutrients right and the pH will take care of itself. stop adding ferts for a while, just water it when the soil dries out. container plants grown outdoors, especially in warm weather, will need a lot of water. you might consider transplanting to bigger pots like totes because they hold more water. also consider putting some newspaper over the top of the soil and around the pots to provide insulation if you keep them outside.
 

fandango

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more nitro makes for dark green leaf.
GH flora grow30m...bloom30m...micro15m....mixed in 4 gallons
keeps my girls very green...also protek10m
 

Rookie808

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i have the exact same problem. here is the video on youtube of 2 of my 5 plants:


im a rookie on my second grow ever. i use foxfarm and also noticed that during my 2 feedings, (plants are 7 weeks from quality seeds) the yellowing increased noticeably within 10 - 12 hours. Because the same thing happened during the first feeding 3 weeks ago, ive been doing nothing but watering for the last 2 - 3 weeks. yellow slowly continues. ive picked off a dozen fan leaves from center bottom where not much sun reaches. theyve been lollipopped somewhat and topped 3 times.

also got 95% rid of a minor aphid problem with spinosad, but saw 3 thrips today (i think thats what they were based on pics ive seen)

i cant install RO water per landlord. Ive been using tap water ran through a fairly expensive filter... making sure theyre not old filters.... ph balanced to around 6.8.

lotsa sun, steady light wind, and fan when no wind. white widow x big bud feminized hybrids i used as part of my first grow to nice success.

I just put 3 of my 5 plants out to bloom a little earlier than i would have preferred because of this yellowing problem. I have no idea what to do... i live in hawaii and posted in the hawaii growers thread too
 

natureboygrower

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Thanks for all the tips,gang.its going to be hot and sunny today/tomorrow.I'm going to just let the plants do their thing for a couple days,dry out that flushed soil.take it from there.I'll keep you posted.
 

cassinfo

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Just have her alone for a week outside. She looks to be doing good. As long as new growth are good.... Nothing to worry about. A little yellow won't kill her. Look at this gal with a broken neck. She'll be alright.Seedling-iv.jpg
 

natureboygrower

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Hey guys,thought I'd post a quick update.I flushed sat,soil will probably dry out today/tomorrow.(again these are in 2.5 g airpruners)the plant has plenty of vigor,but a light green.(I want to feed it,but damn,this is how I think I got into this mess)I can't post pics right now for some reason,will try later.
 

natureboygrower

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you have bright green on that leaf mixed with yellow leaf tips. this usually means over fert. if your soil has nutes in it already, you don't need to add much if any at all, at least not for quite a few weeks yet. I'm guessing it's like foxfarm or roots. just water it when the soil goes dry. don't worry about runoff pH. taking that is pretty pointless and just seems to cause confusion among growers more than anything else. be more concerned about what's in the soil already because that is what makes this work. worry more about getting the nutrients right and the pH will take care of itself. stop adding ferts for a while, just water it when the soil dries out. container plants grown outdoors, especially in warm weather, will need a lot of water. you might consider transplanting to bigger pots like totes because they hold more water. also consider putting some newspaper over the top of the soil and around the pots to provide insulation if you keep them outside.
Hey PP I've decided to take your advice and pot these up into 5gal.flowering has not started yet,but will this set me back?finishing time is mid/late Sept.I'm not seeing results,plant really light green(due to flush?)so I bought some more roots707(originally used)and gonna give it a shot.if this is overfert will this help?the rep from roots707 says this soil has 14days worth of nutes,I'm hoping this will correct any problems.appreciate any advice.BTW,I'm done phing my nutes.not necessary with organics?
 

polishpollack

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pHing is much more useful in hydro or in soil when the grower is using chemical ferts like advanced. if all the leaves appear light green, maybe some yellowing, then most likely it is underfert and I get the feeling they've been growing for several weeks now. more roots is a good idea, but if the leaves really start to yellow then you'd have to consider adding some fert. if the leaves remain green but the tips go yellow and brown, then that is probably over fert. I'd say don't add anything except the transplant and see how things go. just remember that container plants in warm weather need a lot of water. I lost a bunch of corn once because I had them in a container and they were great but it got hot and I forgot to water them for a couple of days. They died.
In reviewing your first post, I see you're giving too much stuff. Don't give so much of those ferts. You probably don't really know what they do.
 
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natureboygrower

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Thanks PP,I appreciate it.I believe it was too much fert.The plants are a stiill a light green,the transplant went smoothly yesterday.not too much droop thus far.keeping them out of sun today,tomorrow sun with clouds,so think I'll move them back to spot.don't think I will fert until I see signs of need.roots guy says 707 has 14 days of fert.but that would have to depend on pot size/plant size I would think?I've got two different strains showing similarities, so I think I've been killing with kindness.thanks for your replies,I'm gonna keep this thread open and update it.have a day,pal
 

ShLUbY

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14 days of food is bullshit imo. when you transplant a plant into a new pot, it usually takes 2 weeks just for the roots to fill the pot in properly (and remember 1 gal of container = 1 month of growth so transplant when necessary). So my ass if that plant eats all the food included in your soil mix in 14 days. if you're watering with runoff, you're dissolving food and running it out of the soil, its called leaching. if you don't water with runoff, nutrient benefits never expire so technically if the plant didnt eat it, it didn't leave the pot. keep this in mind. I haven't researched your soil mix so i'm not sure whats in it to begin with.

Ph is ALWAYS important so keep doing it. whether it be soil or water, you can not argue chemistry. Ph is why we have ranges to strive for when growing, otherwise no one would give a shit, organics or not. nature takes care of these things on its own, plants thrive in a ph to their liking and reproduce, or barely survive and die and inhabit an area better to their liking). so ph going in correctly and check that damn run off!! I bought bluelabs soil Ph pen, and i love it. nothing better than knowing your ph is on point. then you know it's not that problem, and growing correctly is all about eliminating any problems. Sounds to me like your soil Ph is on point.

i have peat moss for the majority make of up my soil (60%) which is acidic by nature, when i got my Ph away from acidic and up to 6.5 where it should be with dolomite, i saw huge improvements in my grow. What happened is the soil i buy contains dolomite, but when i cut with worm casting and coco, not only do i "dilute" the amount of dolomite, but it dissolves over time and Ph drops. I would have this problem about 1 month after transplanting (which is ~3 wks into flower, the worst time) and magnesium would go deficient (age old is known for not having enough Mg i found out). started top dressing with dolomite and my Mg prob went away. now my plants are eating more with Ph corrected and I'm getting much larger yields. People who don't Ph are either really lucky, or really know wtf they are doing.

Now from what I read of what you're adding, 1ml per litre is less than 1 tsp per gallon, so i highly doubt you're over fertilizing them, even with chem nutrients less than a tsp per gal is not very much at all. Do you have a PPM meter? they're stupid cheap, about 18$ at the most expensive grow store price lol. do a PPM test for when you mix your nutes, and then see what the run off is when you water. THIS will tell you how much food is actually going in and coming out of your pot. if it's much more than what you put in then you have too many dissolvable solids in the soil. if it comes out the same, then your plant is eating stuff up happily and you could possibly increase the amount of food slightly. Sorry i know it's long winded, but i hope it helps you out.
 
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natureboygrower

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No need to be sorry shLUby.Im to the age where I realize I don't know everything and I ask questions all the time!you bring up some interesting points which I will definitely keep in mind.I agree with you on the 14 day fert thing,roots rep trying to sell ferts.however,I would like to believe him about the buffered soil.my well water is 7.8,after nutes around 7.i m not sure what I'll do.if my soil is buffered and my ferts are already buffered(accordind to biobizz rep)is it necessary to ph.my plants seem to be thriving right now without phing.I make my own ewc tea(thank you MrMicobeman!)which I use sparingly to hopefully straighten out any soil abnormalities, they seemed to respond well.the pic is of pineapple express,which has absolutely taken off the last two weeks.im going to have to start bloom diets soon,so I'm gonna have to shit or get off the pot as they say!so no it didn't help,lol jk,but you're A1 for your advice.Peace Cap
 

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