Which wavelengths to choose

[Doer]

This is your confusion my friend. and I wish that simply disagreeing with your statement was not enough to lapse you into these so personal affronts.
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hidden point ??of my words, in attempts to establish yourself as, what I can only guess, as a better man
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Makes no sense. Hidden points? Why hide them?
if low self esteem, everyone is a better man

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you don't have to, with full-fledged force, attack me
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I'm laughing now, since you think I attacked you, full fledged force, and yet you are still conscious and UN-hospitalized. How weird.

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question, that you nailed me for, that I asked Sailor, holds legitimacy, without smearing
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Nailed you? I disagreed, is all.

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Why wouldn't peace and common ground allow the majority of citizens from Greece to unite and rightfully dismantle the wrongdoers who comfortably sit in the government?
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Why not in the USA, in the USSR? Come on!

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I wanted to dive down to the root of the people that make up Greece and why they, and similarly other countries, can't get things in order as a collective whole?
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Why not your country? What is your country and why the ass at Greece when clearly it is the boneheads in the EU?

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I clearly see where @Greengenes707 's disdain for you lays...
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Because he is your sweetheart?

Now tell the truth. You were drinking when you wrote all that.

 

[Doer]

And you should take all that to politics, right?

 

[Doer]

I'm actually in favor of off-topic threads, as it's the only way some threads stay alive (some would argue that threads need to die off in order to make way for new ones, meh). This thread needed a stilt anyhow, and from it, thanks to @stardustsailor, I learned a few things about human history.

It is free form discussion. I am amazed how someone can crash in to say this is bullshit, when his comment is exactly and only that.

I like a lot of discussion.

 

[Doer]

Theories/studies are nice.............ACTUAL MJ GROWS testing those theories/studies even better.......

Sup,gg,cm,mc,pos,etc.....doing it in real time== will always have respect for that

We need to go back to our roots in this place IMO.......I'm part of the problem too, all talk and no show for some time now.....

Top bin monochromatic leds with proper cooling can produce

Top bin "white" cobs with proper cooling can produce

Mixing them will produce

Prefer "white" as I can see WTF is going on under it....dat green gap be damned!.....Lol


Yes, I'm still a mono 660 nm fan boy== add some efficient 4000k emitters and that's my pick for 2015

We are going to survive the perfect troll storm that has come down on us....

Well, in other words....its all good? Business as usual at RIU.

 

[Doer]

Here's a silly idea to ponder. What would happen under full spectrum lighting with the relative ratio's of all par wavelengths at 1:1 with each other.

Like on another planet around another star? That would be one wild plant I'm thinking.

 

[bicit]

Like on another planet around another star? That would be one wild plant I'm thinking.

No I'm thinking a normal plant under artificial light.

BTW did you really need to post 5 consecutive times to finish your thought? Now I know why other forums instal timers between posts.

 

[Doer]

No I'm thinking a normal plant under artificial light.

BTW did you really need to post 5 consecutive times to finish your thought? Now I know why other forums instal timers between posts.

Are you attempting to criticize me?

Post COUNT!! Booooo Yaaaaaaa!

Ah, hmmmm....... I think it is an interesting idea.

 

[Doer]

There is a timer between posts here.

What you takin' about? See I was 1 second too soon with this one and had to wait.

 

[guod]

Like on another planet around another star? That would be one wild plant I'm thinking.

nope, it happend on mother earth.

take a look at the interpretation of the McCree-SPD as a lightsource...

what we get is a reddish white light with about 4300K and a CRI of 97(near fullspectrum)


and the calculated ratio´s are near 1 to 1


or just in short, every full spectrum has a ratio near 1 to 1.
Sunlight is here another example

 

[Positivity]

And there it is...the goal..

 

[AquariusPanta]

This is your confusion my friend. and I wish that simply disagreeing with your statement was not enough to lapse you into these so personal affronts.
---
hidden point ??of my words, in attempts to establish yourself as, what I can only guess, as a better man
-----
Makes no sense. Hidden points? Why hide them?
if low self esteem, everyone is a better man

----
you don't have to, with full-fledged force, attack me
----
I'm laughing now, since you think I attacked you, full fledged force, and yet you are still conscious and UN-hospitalized. How weird.

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question, that you nailed me for, that I asked Sailor, holds legitimacy, without smearing
------------
Nailed you? I disagreed, is all.

-----------
Why wouldn't peace and common ground allow the majority of citizens from Greece to unite and rightfully dismantle the wrongdoers who comfortably sit in the government?
-----------
Why not in the USA, in the USSR? Come on!

-------------
I wanted to dive down to the root of the people that make up Greece and why they, and similarly other countries, can't get things in order as a collective whole?
----------
Why not your country? What is your country and why the ass at Greece when clearly it is the boneheads in the EU?

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I clearly see where @Greengenes707 's disdain for you lays...
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Because he is your sweetheart?

Now tell the truth. You were drinking when you wrote all that.

I do like the fact that you don't go down easily. An admirable trait in one's eyes and irritating in another's.

Just remember you poked your head into a conversation that started with Sailor and I. Sailor has shared with the community in several other threads about the terrible conditions he faces in Greece, so the conversation and question stems back further than this thread's existence.

I took your words as a implicit shot at my character: "But, to say you are a better man, is one thing. That is up to you and certainly debateable by me. We just don't know if you could have risen above your stupor and succeeded with Pot as a mild high or not." but maybe I misunderstood your words, as I was mentally juggling a little at the time. You tell me?

Obviously I'm not physically injured by your words.... durr .. you may be superweedman but you ain't no warlock .

"There are many countries full of stoners, like Aus and the USA that have not failed. And I can't say that Greece has failed."

Uhh... did you miss the 2008 financial crisis in the USA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9YLta5Tr2A

We are far from perfect as a country, which I suspect you'd agree with but I don't know how failure popped into your wording, as if someone mysteriously whispered it into your ears...

My aim at Greece and it's populace, heavily made up of after-work stoners ... , is ultimately responsible for the condition it lives in, as it allows it to take place with deep penetration. Yeah, ok, so there are some super-powers in the world today that tote a heavy swing in how some of the world's less-powerful countries operate under their window stills but still, it's Greece and last time I checked, they were still a democratic nation.

I don't live there, never been there with this body or brain but have heard enough through Sailor's words to muster up an inquiry of why it is the way it is today.

A famous poet once said that "our pain is self chosen". Now I don't know if that holds any merit to reality as a whole but it applies to a bunch of things that have taken place in my life.

And o yeah, @Greengenes707 and I are secretly lovers... .

O how I kid!

 

[churchhaze]

That video was technically incorrect about a lot of stuff about interest rates... The federal reserve sets the rate at which banks lend to each other, and the discount window rate. They can also buy and sell bonds in attempt to manipulate the price that way.

The idea that the fed set rates at 1% which caused investors to look into mortgages instead is wrong. The fed's interest rate is not the rate banks make mortgages to home owners. This is a common misconception.

Low interest rates investors see come from things like high stability and low inflation expectations. The fed does not have the control to set those rates.

Interest rates (other than the discount window rate and the federal fund rate) are indicators/outputs, not inputs to the system. Investors set interest rates.

The way banks have made money for hundreds of years has been lending homeowners, business owners, and governments money, not borrowing from the central bank. It is the entire point of banking.

 

[Doer]

I live in the USA. The Crisis was manufactured by us, but we didn't suffer. That's all a press joke.

I take exception to your tar brush on Greece and brother you don't own your conversation. You posted it.

I commented, Too bad. And we don't know your pot habit or care. Greece can take it but you can't? Or since you can't Greece can't? All discussion able. But, I don't like slamming ganja or Greece.
So what?

What country are you in and what are drinking?

 

[AquariusPanta]

That video was technically incorrect about a lot of stuff about interest rates... The federal reserve sets the rate at which banks lend to each other, and the discount window rate. They can also buy and sell bonds in attempt to manipulate the price that way.

The idea that the fed set rates at 1% which caused investors to look into mortgages instead is wrong. The fed's interest rate is not the rate banks make mortgages to home owners. This is a common misconception.

Low interest rates investors see come from things like high stability and low inflation expectations. The fed does not have the control to set those rates.

Interest rates (other than the discount window rate and the federal fund rate) are indicators/outputs, not inputs to the system. Investors set interest rates.

The way banks have made money for hundreds of years has been lending homeowners, business owners, and governments money, not borrowing from the central bank. It is the entire point of banking.

I guess any joker can post a video on Youtube without total credibility? But the presentation was creative, yeah?

I live in the USA. The Crisis was manufactured by us, but we didn't suffer. That's all a press joke.

I take exception to your tar brush on Greece and brother you don't own your conversation. You posted it.

I commented, Too bad. And we don't know your pot habit or care. Greece can take it but you can't? Or since you can't Greece can't? All discussion able. But, I don't like slamming ganja or Greece.
So what?

What country are you in and what are drinking?

Wait, I manufactured global fear? Was I sleep-walking or drug-induced? Don't tell me Uncle Sam pulled a gun on me and ordered me to join the ranks!

...

Again, why with the obvious remarks Doer? I assure you that I'm much more of an enjoyable person to connect with without having to continue some ongoing, time-consuming (enter your own word, because I for-see you attacking my choice of wording).

(If you're wondering, I was going to go with dispute or conflict or something close to those lines.)

Make all the assumptions and claims you want, Doer, for I am a tyrant at heart and king at mind and because I have no immediate, emotional strings attached to this conversation at hand, that you so rudely entered, I only encourage your disdainful behavior.

 

[stardustsailor]

Theories/studies are nice.............ACTUAL MJ GROWS testing those theories/studies even better........

Oh,dear PSUAGRO ...
Let me remind you some things ..

- The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC.
-The idea that matter is made up of discrete units is a very old one, appearing in many ancient cultures such as Greece and India. The word "atom", in fact, was coined by ancient Greek philosophers.
-And more...

Philosophy ,derives from two words : "Philos" & "Sophia" ,meaning "friend" & "wisdom" ,respectively.
Theories are the main outcome of philosophy .
Without a theory as basis ,there's nothing "actual" to test .
Those ancient philosophers had almost none of the modern tools needed to take their theories on to the next level of "actual testing" .
Still, modern scientists with their high-tech ,ultra precise tools ,have spend a great deal of time,money and effort ,only to verify those theories ,dating back some thousand years ago.
So,allow me to think opposite than you.Actual testing is nice ,but a solid theory behind is even better.
As also actual testing ,is under the influence of various and different variables,which without a solid theory as basis ,the results & outcomes-of actual testing- are just ingredients of chaos.

Sup,gg,cm,mc,pos,etc.....doing it in real time== will always have respect for that

We need to go back to our roots in this place IMO.......I'm part of the problem too, all talk and no show for some time now......

Not everyone of us has the same opportunities ,time ,space,will, freedom,money ,etc to be a vigorous field "tester" as the fine members you've mentioned.Respecting those members of course is absolutely fair.
But ,neglecting or even worse ditching away all those who can't show the same things or equivalent ,or even be like them , ain't a fair thing at all.
Afterall ,the appropriate place for testing is everyones grow space,with it's restrictions and allowances.
A " forum " by definition is : " An online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages."
So,"showing" things is not obligatory,but well accepted ,whatsoever. An image can be like a thousand of words ,
but at the same time it can be a well crafted " illusion" .And I'm stating that without any underlying disrespect to any
of this forum's members ,but just stating a fact.Your,mine & everybody elses eyes can be easily " deceived " .
As simple as that.
A well supported opinion ,thesis or study ,most probably has more to teach ,than some pics or a vid.

Top bin monochromatic leds with proper cooling can produce
Top bin "white" cobs with proper cooling can produce
Mixing them will produce
Prefer "white" as I can see WTF is going on under it....dat green gap be damned!.....Lol
Yes, I'm still a mono 660 nm fan boy== add some efficient 4000k emitters and that's my pick for 2015

"Proper cooling" is a theoretical assumption.
"Mixing them" is another one,also.
You have every right to support a " 660 nm + 4000k " spectrum as best for the year 2015.
And the rest of us ,we have to make sure ,for you to be free to support your thesis,on the matter.
Still,allow me personally to think and support with the same freedom my thesis on the matter.
That "Mixing them" and "Proper cooling" them ,while for companies ,
like Valoya or Heliospectra might be relatively easy ,for the average DIYer -LED grower ain't such a simple task.
And of course ,nobody can assure that this "path" will have a successful outcome or that will last for long service life.


Furthermore ,if you want me to deposit my experience from "actual testing" , 660 nm LEDS ,while being great for
some species ,for Cannabis Sativa L. ain't . That's what I 've experienced .The same experiments on that field,
showed me that 620-630 nm red LEDS are far superior than 660 nm ones when it comes to growing Cannabis Sativa L. sp. in an artificial environment.But that's another story.
Nevertheless ,NASA studies seem to be on the same page ,also.



As also that without " dat green gap" things do not turn out as wished.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960011687.pdf

I respect your position ,please do respect mine,too.

Still ,many different lights can produce.
The McCree PAR light that Guod suggested(*as an example) ,will produce.
A WW 3000°K COB LED light ,will produce .
The 660 nm+4000°K LED combo , will produce .
For God's shake we already know that even the 2200°K HPS will produce.
Their technical details as light sources , simply set what is feasible ,efficient ,economic,etc .
It's those "details" ,that are their main differences.

Plants can adapt easily to those differences,afterall .
Is just the human mind ,that faces some difficulties adapting to different " light sources" ...

Cheers.

 

[Doer]

I guess any joker can post a video on Youtube without total credibility? But the presentation was creative, yeah?



Wait, I manufactured global fear? Was I sleep-walking or drug-induced? Don't tell me Uncle Sam pulled a gun on me and ordered me to join the ranks!

...

Again, why with the obvious remarks Doer? I assure you that I'm much more of an enjoyable person to connect with without having to continue some ongoing, time-consuming (enter your own word, because I for-see you attacking my choice of wording).

(If you're wondering, I was going to go with dispute or conflict or something close to those lines.)

Make all the assumptions and claims you want, Doer, for I am a tyrant at heart and king at mind and because I have no immediate, emotional strings attached to this conversation at hand, that you so rudely entered, I only encourage your disdainful behavior.

But, you are drunk. I am not.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Oh,dear PSUAGRO ...
Let me remind you some things ..

- The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC.
-The idea that matter is made up of discrete units is a very old one, appearing in many ancient cultures such as Greece and India. The word "atom", in fact, was coined by ancient Greek philosophers.
Philosophy ,derives from two words : "Philos" & "Sophia" ,meaning "friend" & "wisdom" ,respectively.
Theories are the main outcome of philosophy .
Without a theory as basis ,there's nothing "actual" to test .
Those ancient philosophers had almost none of the modern tools needed to take their theories into the next level of actual testing .
Still, modern scientists with their high-tech ,ultra precise tools ,have spend a great deal of time,money and effort ,only to verify those theories ,dating back some thousand years ago.
So,allow me to think opposite than you.Actual testing is nice ,but a solid theory behind is even better.
As also actual testing ,is under the influence of various and different variables,which without a solid theory as basis ,the results & outcomes-of actual testing- are just ingredients of chaos.




Not everyone of us has the same opportunities ,time ,space,will, freedom,money ,etc to be a vigorous field "tester" as the fine members you've mentioned.Respecting those members of course is absolutely fair.
But ,neglecting or even worse ditching away all those who can't show the same things or equivalent ,or even be like them , ain't a fair thing at all.
Afterall ,the appropriate place for testing is everyones grow space,with it's restrictions and allowances.
A " forum " by definition is : " An online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages."
So,"showing" things is not obligatory,but well accepted ,whatsoever. An image can be like a thousand of words ,
but at the same time it can be a well crafted " illusion" .And I'm stating that without any underlying disrespect to any
of this forum's members ,but just stating a fact.Your,mine & everybody elses eyes can be easily " deceived " .
As simple as that.
A well supported opinion ,thesis or study ,most probably has more to teach ,than some pics or a vid.



"Proper cooling" is a theoretical assumption.
"Mixing them" is another one,also.
You have every right to support a " 660 nm + 4000k " spectrum as best for the year 2015.
And the rest of us ,we have to make sure ,for you to be free to support your thesis,on the matter.
Still,allow me personally to think and support with the same freedom my thesis on the matter.
That "Mixing them" and "Proper cooling" them ,while for companies ,
like Valoya or Heliospectra might be relatively easy ,for the average DIYer -LED grower ain't such a simple task.
And of course ,nobody can assure that this "path" will have a successful outcome or that will last for long service life.
Furthermore ,if you want me to deposit my experience from "actual testing" , 660 nm LEDS ,while being great for
some species ,for Cannabis Sativa L. ain't . That's what I 've experienced .The same experiments on that field,
showed me that 620-630 nm red LEDS are far superior than 660 nm ones when it comes to growing Cannabis Sativa L. sp. in an artificial environment.But that's another story.I respect your position ,please do respect mine,also.
As also that without " dat green gap" things do not turn out as wished.Another story also.
Still ,many different lights can produce.
The McCree PAR light that Guod suggested ,will produce.
The WW 3000°K lLED light by itself will produce .
The 660 nm+4000°K will produce .
For God's shake we already know that even the 2200°K HPS will produce.
Their technical details as light sources , simply set what is feasible ,efficient ,economic,etc ,
as also those "details" are their main differences.
Plants can adapt easily,afterall .
Is just the human mind ,that faces some difficulties adapting to different " light sources" ...

Cheers.

Ha........your reading waaaay too much into my post. Just having a little fun as always friend. Obvious generalizations throughout it.

"dat green gap" is a joke from long time ago that our friend @guod posted...........we've all seen the graphs sds

Nothing wrong with talking and conversing== just agree with GG that in an MJ indoor grow sub forum.....growing MJ should be a top priority or no?

We've been fighting over 660 nm for years now, don't think either one of us will budge. Monochromatic leds will not go the way of the dodo anytime soon.....all the major players still use them.

OSRAM released a 100 percent top bin mono panel for horticultural use just a couple weeks ago for Christ sakes...half of which are 660nm, their choice not mine...they surely must have a "decent" r&d department?. now if growers start hitting 2gpw consistently from them(doubt it!), I'll switch and just wear "grow room" glasses! Lol


Do I think "white" cobs are a great package? ABSOLUTELY====== just not the only way to fly imo.

 

[Doer]

They have a decent marketing dept that is deeply invested in HYPE.

 

[stardustsailor]

My dear brother PSUAGRO.
I think that our mutual understanding is phenomenal !
Of course we may have our differences ,but afterall that is what makes a discussion to yield flowers and fruits !
Through debating ,sharing of knowledge is achieved .
You also are aware ,that despite our different opinions ,
we share lots of "same pages" ,too.

Actually,many times wished to be possible for us , to meet each other in person.
But unfortunately ,there's a whole ocean separating us ..
Nevertheless,personally I feel you like one of my best web-pals.
I can talk-debate-argue-agree-discuss with you for hours.
I feel that I have so much to learn from you.

Anyway ..
Here's something you would probably like ,you " monochromatic LED latin lover " ..

http://www.elforsk.dk/elforskProjects/340-040/340-040_Slutrapport.pdf

Be safe,my dear friend.
Cheers.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

My dear brother PSUAGRO.
I think that our mutual understanding is phenomenal !
Of course we may have our differences ,but afterall that is what makes a discussion to yield flowers and fruits !
Through debating ,sharing of knowledge is achieved .
You also are aware ,that despite our different opinions ,
we share lots of "same pages" ,too.

Actually,many times wished to be possible for us , to meet each other in person.
But unfortunately ,there's a whole ocean separating us ..
Nevertheless,personally I feel you like one of my best web-pals.
I can talk-debate-argue-agree-discuss with you for hours.
I feel that I have so much to learn from you.

Anyway ..
Here's something you would probably like ,you " monochromatic LED latin lover " ..

http://www.elforsk.dk/elforskProjects/340-040/340-040_Slutrapport.pdf

Be safe,my dear friend.
Cheers.

More like the other way around.................but i'll take the compliment

be safe as well