Which wavelengths to choose

RED:BLUE ratio in flowering?


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Doer

Well-Known Member
Oh ...Doer ...And something else ...




- The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC.

-The idea that matter is made up of discrete units is a very old one, appearing in many ancient cultures such as Greece and India. The word "atom", in fact, was coined by ancient Greek philosophers.

-" And yet it moves" ..Galileo Galilei 1616...

And many more ...

Date ,is not a reasonal basis for placing doubts ...
Nothing has changed from 1972.
All the recent findings ,support what McCree had discovered back then.


Cheers.
:peace:
Science giants get to stand on the shoulders of science giants, so true.

It is the point of Science I guess. I just meant the tools and precision has changed.
Facts are still the facts.
 

SPLFreak808

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Just to answer the op's question, i would try to get as close as full spectrum as possible around 30'000+ lum/sq.ft ,including UVB. I wouldnt worry about the green wasting electricity unless you have 1500watts of led's/cfl. If it were me, i would be dying to do a side by side with red/blue & full spectrum, canabis can grow in pure uvb if it wanted too, but will it be good or bad? I wouldn't know because the damn plant could adapt to anything.
 

Doer

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Oh... It can't grow in pure UVB. That is only 50 microwatts/m^2 :) funny I think I know what you mean, though. Adaptable, right? Maybe it could adapt if it was 400w m^2 like full sunshine was all UVB? Maybe some star?

That would be one wild plant, I would think. :)
 
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SPLFreak808

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Oh... It can't grow in pure UVB. That is only 50 microwatts/cm2^ :) funny I think I know what you mean, though. Adaptable, right? Maybe it could adapt if it was 400w cm2 like full sunshine was all UVB? Maybe some star?

That would be one wild plant, I would think. :)
Thank you for pointing that out. I was under the impression that it could veg and flower under a pure UVB environment with reduced growth . http://skunkskool.com/index.php/topic/4-cannabis-and-uv-radiation/ just read his post, but im an amateur so i wouldnt know.
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
"Plato is said to have disliked him (Democritus) so much that he wished all his books burned."

HAHAHA!!

That Plato was one helluva character!
I guess that all -or most -of us-,greeks ( hellens ) were always like that.
For example :

Lately ,I've been studying the history of Cannabis Sativa .

Hellas (Greece ) was amongst the -few-countries/civilizaitions ,
of the ancient world that used that herb for quite a few of different purposes .
There's plenty of literature on the web ,about Greece and Cannabis.

(Just google "Cannabis Greece " and you'll be astonished by the number of .pdfs and research papers,about the "relationship" of these two "terms" ...A "relationship" that dates far back in history.)

But ,at one of them ...LOL ! ..
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Never expected to read such a truth about our culture.
( At least ,not in a Cannabis-related research .)
That depicts about the same thing , as with Plato and Democritus ...
..
Here,read for yourself ..( and you may laugh or cry ,still is the truth ... )

(..)
The Birthplace of Democracy

Greece: land of myth and beauty, home to some of the greatest minds the world has ever known *****- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - birthplace of democracy; Greece was all of these and more. It gave the world its first great art, literature, theater, political institutions, sporting events, scientific and medical discoveries - the list is endless.

Yet despite these monumental achievements, Greece was a turbulent country and war was no stranger to its inhabitants. When they were not fighting among themselves,
the Greeks faced the threat of invasion from empires like that of Darius and Xerxes. When Alexander the Great came to power, the Greeks in turn became world conquerors.
(...)

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/1.htm


Well...
I've to say that ...
In most parts ..
Not much have changed ,since then ...
A tragic ,horror comedy ...
That's how every day life feels here,for the last 5.000 years ..
At least ...:?


Peace ,brother.
:peace:

P.S. :
In modern Hellas according to the official police statistics ,
more than 15% of the population is consuming Cannabis for recreational purposes.
Some others, state that the true percentage is more or less close to 50% of the population.
Myself I can't have really an opinion about that .
All I can say is ,that for 40 years of my life up till now , I've met many-many different people .
Of different sex,age ,social status ,occupation,etc....
Regarding greeks, 7 or maybe even 8 out of 10 ,they are recreational Cannabis users of various "levels".
Starting from those who just smoke a joint per couple of months ,
up to those of " a joint per hour " (!) , hardcore potheads -like myself most probably - ...
....
"Quitters of habit " ,not included ...:P


*****
Maybe we are the verification of what BIll Hicks used to say ..
LOL !
His words for sure could be explaining plenty of things,that went and still going on ,
at this sunny mediterranean peninsula ...
 
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Greengenes707

Well-Known Member
I quoted you for being full of shit again.

You are such a hack. Try some real reading and not practice for marketing.

You are a name caller and I will quote your sorry dumb ass whenever I please.

https://books.google.com/books?id=wXpCAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=leaf transparent to par&source=bl&ots=wtiVm987NX&sig=hE1tZCGg9yv9rhyIa48U5eiODTI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1GsZVb_EEoryoATI4YGQDg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q=leaf transparent to par&f=false
Again...you have said I am wrong...only to prove my point and show your self as wrong. Never to admit it and always deflect.

Where have I said any bullshit? McCree...your calling that bullshit??
Or
That leaves are NOT transparent to PAR?? Again you are wrong. and have nothing to back that up. As per you link and quick google...
The epidermis of a leaf is not the leaf as a whole. You can backpedal all you want to "translucent". (very subjective for someone who demand such specifics in return)...but I don't forget this is how our relationship got started...on this very topic, where you already have shown how novice and uneducated you are...
Since the leaves are more or less transparent to PAR, defoliation throws away THC. It is based on a wives tale that you are shading the lower leaves. But, you are not.
Can you elaborate on your statement of transparent to par and throwing away THC from fan leaves?
From how I know it, only about 20% max is getting through the leaves...and most of the red and blue ends are letting much much less through.
Check out/look up transmittance, reflectance, and absorptance...

Transmittance is how much is passed through the leaf...
View attachment 3366517

Reflectance is how much bounces off and is what we humans see as colors
View attachment 3366520

Then absorptance is the combination of the two showing what is actually left to be used by that leaf
And this is non-normalized...raw absorptance. Also, all this data is based on cannabis specifically, but does apply to many other species.
View attachment 3366518


And another note...don't quote pet flora, it's pointless...long story...but trust us on this.
Oh come on. Pet and I are buddies. :)

The point is the leaves get proportionally larger, to take more light despite the reductions thru the layers of translucent.

You ever wonder why those leaves are 80% bigger at the bottom?

All plants are very much the same. But, we are not flowering this one. We refuse it. So, all that business from the Dutch hippy Flower Newt producers, is wrong, ie reducing Nitrogen, etc.

Ganja Myths, I say.
Nothing to back up anything you say. You just run your mouth and think that typing something makes you right.

So let me make this clear for you again...you are wrong...leaves are not transparent to PAR. I know it hard for you to admit defeat but whether or not you ever do...it has happen and will continue to.

Your but hurt caus I've have sold a few lights...so have at least 10 others on here. That must mean I know nothing. That must mean I haven't done anything right? That must mean I haven't been growing with leds long before the new wave of easy that is cobs came around...right? That must mean I haven't already been using what your have just stumbled onto?...fuck off. You know nothing about leds. You have been learning along the way. Good for you, so have many. But what they don't know...they learn...not bullshit for no reason other than you can't admit your wrong. Take the smartphone and computer away...you have nothing to stand on. No experience, no true knowledge of the subject. Nothing behind you words.

So again where have I given any bullshit? Only place I see it oozing though ever hole in your story.
 
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Doer

Well-Known Member
butt hurt

The jingo of the troll, The scorn, foul mouth, ego dance is just par for the course.

And no, you and pos are meaningless. Get over it. I never said totally transparent. But, you have no idea how this works actually.

The mark of the troll is to make shit up and just go with that. it is how you crash my threads and how you behave here.
 
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Doer

Well-Known Member
I guess that all -or most -of us-,greeks ( hellens ) were always like that.
For example :

Lately ,I've been studying the history of Cannabis Sativa .

Hellas (Greece ) was amongst the -few-countries/civilizaitions ,
of the ancient world that used that herb for quite a few of different purposes .
There's plenty of literature on the web ,about Greece and Cannabis.

(Just google "Cannabis Greece " and you'll be astonished by the number of .pdfs and research papers,about the "relationship" of these two "terms" ...A "relationship" that dates far back in history.)

But ,at one of them ...LOL ! ..
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Never expected to read such a truth about our culture.
( At least ,not in a Cannabis-related research .)
That depicts about the same thing , as with Plato and Democritus ...
..
Here,read for yourself ..( and you may laugh or cry ,still is the truth ... )

(..)
The Birthplace of Democracy

Greece: land of myth and beauty, home to some of the greatest minds the world has ever known *****- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - birthplace of democracy; Greece was all of these and more. It gave the world its first great art, literature, theater, political institutions, sporting events, scientific and medical discoveries - the list is endless.

Yet despite these monumental achievements, Greece was a turbulent country and war was no stranger to its inhabitants. When they were not fighting among themselves,
the Greeks faced the threat of invasion from empires like that of Darius and Xerxes. When Alexander the Great came to power, the Greeks in turn became world conquerors.
(...)

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/1.htm


Well...
I've to say that ...
In most parts ..
Not much have changed ,since then ...
A tragic ,horror comedy ...
That's how every day life feels here,for the last 5.000 years ..
At least ...:?


Peace ,brother.
:peace:

P.S. :
In modern Hellas according to the official police statistics ,
more than 15% of the population is consuming Cannabis for recreational purposes.
Some others, state that the true percentage is more or less close to 50% of the population.
Myself I can't have really an opinion about that .
All I can say is ,that for 40 years of my life up till now , I've met many-many different people .
Of different sex,age ,social status ,occupation,etc....
Regarding greeks, 7 or maybe even 8 out of 10 ,they are recreational Cannabis users of various "levels".
Starting from those who just smoke a joint per couple of months ,
up to those of " a joint per hour " (!) , hardcore potheads -like myself most probably - ...
....
"Quitters of habit " ,not included ...:P


*****
Maybe we are the verification of what BIll Hicks used to say ..
LOL !
His words for sure could be explaining plenty of things,that went and still going on ,
at this sunny mediterranean peninsula ...
So a Greek Geek. I know quite a few of you. We have Greek geek gals at my work.
Very Hellenistic. :)
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
SDS, I've studied the rich history of cannabis all through, Africa, and the out thru Asia.

And I know Greece has been on the superhighway walk path to Asia, since monkeys.
So, not surprising to me the Greeks were clued in, like they were clued into Kristo before the Jesus talk began.

But, what happened to Rome? Can you find any indication of Cannabis use in the Roman Empire?
 

AquariusPanta

Well-Known Member
I guess that all -or most -of us-,greeks ( hellens ) were always like that.
For example :

Lately ,I've been studying the history of Cannabis Sativa .

Hellas (Greece ) was amongst the -few-countries/civilizaitions ,
of the ancient world that used that herb for quite a few of different purposes .
There's plenty of literature on the web ,about Greece and Cannabis.

(Just google "Cannabis Greece " and you'll be astonished by the number of .pdfs and research papers,about the "relationship" of these two "terms" ...A "relationship" that dates far back in history.)

But ,at one of them ...LOL ! ..
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Never expected to read such a truth about our culture.
( At least ,not in a Cannabis-related research .)
That depicts about the same thing , as with Plato and Democritus ...
..
Here,read for yourself ..( and you may laugh or cry ,still is the truth ... )

(..)
The Birthplace of Democracy

Greece: land of myth and beauty, home to some of the greatest minds the world has ever known *****- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - birthplace of democracy; Greece was all of these and more. It gave the world its first great art, literature, theater, political institutions, sporting events, scientific and medical discoveries - the list is endless.

Yet despite these monumental achievements, Greece was a turbulent country and war was no stranger to its inhabitants. When they were not fighting among themselves,
the Greeks faced the threat of invasion from empires like that of Darius and Xerxes. When Alexander the Great came to power, the Greeks in turn became world conquerors.
(...)

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/1.htm


Well...
I've to say that ...
In most parts ..
Not much have changed ,since then ...
A tragic ,horror comedy ...
That's how every day life feels here,for the last 5.000 years ..
At least ...:?


Peace ,brother.
:peace:

P.S. :
In modern Hellas according to the official police statistics ,
more than 15% of the population is consuming Cannabis for recreational purposes.
Some others, state that the true percentage is more or less close to 50% of the population.
Myself I can't have really an opinion about that .
All I can say is ,that for 40 years of my life up till now , I've met many-many different people .
Of different sex,age ,social status ,occupation,etc....
Regarding greeks, 7 or maybe even 8 out of 10 ,they are recreational Cannabis users of various "levels".
Starting from those who just smoke a joint per couple of months ,
up to those of " a joint per hour " (!) , hardcore potheads -like myself most probably - ...
....
"Quitters of habit " ,not included ...:P


*****
Maybe we are the verification of what BIll Hicks used to say ..
LOL !
His words for sure could be explaining plenty of things,that went and still going on ,
at this sunny mediterranean peninsula ...
I don't know, Sailor; given my experience with marijuana, all I ever wanna do when stoned is be like a plant and stand idle, as I steadily devour all sugary-sweet delicacies in the immediate surrounding. I've thought about and discussed with others from different walks of life some very outlandish ideas and concepts over the course of my consumption of cannabis in the past but it's only been after the start of my hiatus from the substance that I've progressed in my life, as I've become a better man by accomplishing challenging tasks that likely wouldn't have been possible for me if I was, at the same time, flirting with mary jane.

Now I'm a firm believer that there is always an exception to any case and that I'm better off without it in my life, for the time being, as I'm still young and life isn't easy for anyone, not even the rich or the powerful, even though our perceptions would make us think otherwise, and so I gotta be quasi contempt yet despiteful for how life really is rather than masking away some of life's bores and pains with the temporary delights and highs of mary jane, in order to establish a better future for myself and possibly others.

Edit:

I don't mean to inflict any personal damage to you or your fellow countrymen, but I see a direct correlation between the percentage of users of marijuana in Greece and the country's economic condition. Which came first, the recreational users or the economic slump?
 
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stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
I don't know, Sailor; given my experience with marijuana, all I ever wanna do when stoned is be like a plant and stand idle, as I steadily devour all sugary-sweet delicacies in the immediate surrounding. I've thought about and discussed with others from different walks of life some very outlandish ideas and concepts over the course of my consumption of cannabis in the past but it's only been after the start of my hiatus from the substance that I've progressed in my life, as I've become a better man by accomplishing challenging tasks that likely wouldn't have been possible for me if I was, at the same time, flirting with mary jane.

Now I'm a firm believer that there is always an exception to any case and that I'm better off without it in my life, for the time being, as I'm still young and life isn't easy for anyone, not even the rich or the powerful, even though our perceptions would make us think otherwise, and so I gotta be quasi contempt yet despiteful for how life really is rather than masking away some of life's bores and pains with the temporary delights and highs of mary jane, in order to establish a better future for myself and possibly others.

Edit:

I don't mean to inflict any personal damage to you or your fellow countrymen, but I see a direct correlation between the percentage of users of marijuana in Greece and the country's economic condition. Which came first, the recreational users or the economic slump?
Neither of them,actually ...
What has been always going on here, is the absolute corruption of those in power.
The sickness of those who think that they can apply their domination & authority ,beyond themselves to others.
In Hellas ,things are probably much worse than any other place in the world ,simply because of the extreme expression of duality ,which characterizes the whole universe.

Intelligence versus stupidity .

In a place where bright minds are being born ,the price is that ,at the same time is the birthplace of the darkest & unbeatable stupidity ,ever known to man .
And as clever people here ,either they leave for other countries ,
or do not care about power of any kind,at all...

All the "seats" of " power" then are taken by idiots.
As simple as that.
A land of severe contradictions.
A land that gave birth to Socrates ,only to sentence him to death by poisoning ,because of his groundbreaking ideas.
A land that gave birth to democracy ,while the founders of "democracy", had at least 100 slaves at their homes,every each one of them ....(That's a "small" detail of the history of "democracy" ....)

Now..About the herb ....
Cannabis has nothing to do with all these,trust me on that one.
Maybe even ,if we were not aware of that herb,we would not exist ,by now.
Probably we would have slaughtered each other to the last one ,without it ...

See what Carl Sagan used to say :
“The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.”

I totally agree and double that ...
By experience and only ...

Cheers.
:peace:


Edit :

About greeks and WW II .....

Adolf Hitler:
"For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death.. " (From speech he delivered to Reichstag on 4 May 1941)

Winston Churchill:
"The word heroism I am afraid does not render the least of those acts of self-sacrifice of the Greeks, which were the defining factor in the victorious outcome of the common struggle of the nations, during WWII, for the human freedom and dignity. If it were not for the bravery of the Greeks and their courage, the outcome of WWII would be undetermined." (Paraphrased from one of his speeches to the British Parliament on 24 April 1941)

Maurice Schumann Minister of the exterior of France 1969-1973, member of the French Academy 1974:
"Greece is the symbol of the tortured, bloodied but live Europe.. Never a defeat was so honorable for those who suffered it." (From a message of his he addressed from the BBC of London to the enslaved peoples of Europe on 28 April 1941, the day Hitler occupied Athens after Greece fought a 6-month war)

DURATION OF RESISTANCE (in days):
Greece 219
Norway 61
France 43 (The superpower at the time)
Poland 30
Belgium 18
Holland 4
Yugoslavia 3
Denmark 0 (The Danes surrendered to Hitler's motorcyclist who was conveying Hitler's request to the Danish king for the crossing of the Nazi armies. The
Danish king indicating submission surrendered his crown to the motorcyclist)
Czechoslovakia 0
Luxenburg 0

TOTAL LOSES IN POPULATION PERCENTAGES:
Greece 10%
Soviet Union 2.8%
Holland 2.2%
France 2% (The superpower at the time)
Poland 1.8%
Yugoslavia 1.7%
Belgium 1.5%


https://www.xing.com/communities/posts/proud-to-be-greek-because-dot-dot-dot-1000894139

War is flowing within our blood .
When we do not have -external- enemies ,then usually we kill each other ...
By any means ,possible ...
All sorts of war ,that a man can imagine ...
Not only with weapons ...

Just for the fun of it ...
So much stupidity ,in a land of bright minds ....
 
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bicit

Well-Known Member
Mary jane has always given me the best idea's. I hated plants before I learned to cultivate her, now I have a massive edible garden and eat healthier than I ever have. She inspired my love of botany and nature, and made grueling math classes, bearable.

Truly a miracle plant, for some.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I don't know, Sailor; given my experience with marijuana, all I ever wanna do when stoned is be like a plant and stand idle, as I steadily devour all sugary-sweet delicacies in the immediate surrounding. I've thought about and discussed with others from different walks of life some very outlandish ideas and concepts over the course of my consumption of cannabis in the past but it's only been after the start of my hiatus from the substance that I've progressed in my life, as I've become a better man by accomplishing challenging tasks that likely wouldn't have been possible for me if I was, at the same time, flirting with mary jane.

I don't mean to inflict any personal damage to you or your fellow countrymen, but I see a direct correlation between the percentage of users of marijuana in Greece and the country's economic condition. Which came first, the recreational users or the economic slump?
WOW! Which side are you on??? This has been nothing but a relaxing herb for 4000 years. And then 80 years ago, it was banned in the USA. We nose led the world into a stupid world ban. And now it is the death penalty in a lot of countries.

The USA did that, and I am not proud of it. And we are surely but slowly rolling it back. Soon we will say to these counties the opposite. Be compassionate about it or get no Aid from the USA.

But, to say you are a better man, is one thing. That is up to you and certainly debateable by me. We just don't know if you could have risen above your stupor and succeeded with Pot as a mild high or not. I did. I took up a simple rule. Never lay down. :) And if you have to lay down, you have to go running instead.

But to gloss an entire society's economic problem on ganja flies in the face of the evidence.

There are many countries full of stoners, like Aus and the USA that have not failed. And I can't say that Greece has failed.

So. please this a larger world issue. And this smear, though gentle to be sure, is not thinking about the bigger picture.

The Economic situation was forced on Greece by the EU, and by the Greeks having a flight of Capital because of EU stupidity. And the EU is pure USA meddling via NATO.

Let's not confuse that with getting stoned. I say NATO should get stoned and the world would be a better place. :)
 
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Doer

Well-Known Member
Mary jane has always given me the best idea's. I hated plants before I learned to cultivate her, now I have a massive edible garden and eat healthier than I ever have. She inspired my love of botany and nature, and made grueling math classes, bearable.

Truly a miracle plant, for some.
I think therefore I am stoned.
 
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