is dinafem white widow any good???
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Rudi I&I Automan
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THERE IS AN HONOUR SYSTEM AMOUNGHST US GROWERS , AN UNSPOKEN GUIDLINE BOURNN OUT OF COMMON DESANTCY.
you must talk and talk to your plants
they love music if the chance is there for it
you never rip off anyones gorilla grow, how would you like me to come round and rip yours off, then your grow
a cross should be a collaboration, mutually beneficial and above all sanctioned by both partys.
did you know sensi seeds has never given anyone permission to distribute their seeds, yet you can buy them singularly for a price.
the honour system seems all but lost in a maze of "WEED TWEEKERS" and OPPERTUNISTS, AND NOT EVEN HIDE THE FACT, BUT ADVERTISE AS IT.
GrowUrOwnDank
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Don't listen to any of this silly rubbish OP. Every breeder has a white widow. Dinafem does great breeding man. Im sure their WW ranks right up there with the best of the best.
firsttimeARE
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Dinafem makes decent plants.
Everythings stable. Not the most fire strains but I like them as a company.
Everythings stable. Not the most fire strains but I like them as a company.
Wavels
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^^^
Hey Saul, I think that the "most fire" is largely due to the roulette wheel of genetics.
Unless you grow out thirty to sixty seeds it is difficult to render an accurate assessment of any "breeders" product.
Nowadays many growers only grow out their freebies which are at the most two or three seeds...from this tiny cross-section of genetics it is virtually impossible to pass judgement on the stability and quality of the so-called strain being offered.
Just my tiny two cents...
Hey Saul, I think that the "most fire" is largely due to the roulette wheel of genetics.
Unless you grow out thirty to sixty seeds it is difficult to render an accurate assessment of any "breeders" product.
Nowadays many growers only grow out their freebies which are at the most two or three seeds...from this tiny cross-section of genetics it is virtually impossible to pass judgement on the stability and quality of the so-called strain being offered.
Just my tiny two cents...
King Arthur
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Your comprehension levels are low, using ones genetics in your line does not make you a bad company but not giving credit is shady. On the other hand if it weren't for so many people to take up the seed business we wouldn't be sitting on thousands of crosses and so I feel it justifies itself by helping society to get a plant that shouldn't be legal nor should it even be charged for.
If every stoner was growing plants there would be no need for selling, just trade what you don't want.
Sensi seeds didnt "invent" skunk, or any other strain. They took genetics that were around and blended them.
Growers now take genetics that are around and blend them.
If they "invented" skunk, wth does it not smell like a SKUNK, like REAL skunk does?
What about G-13 that is in damned near all genetics now? Sensi did the same thing breeders today are doing, they took popular genetics and made crosses.
Growers now take genetics that are around and blend them.
If they "invented" skunk, wth does it not smell like a SKUNK, like REAL skunk does?
What about G-13 that is in damned near all genetics now? Sensi did the same thing breeders today are doing, they took popular genetics and made crosses.
King Arthur
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If you wanna get down to the nitty gritty cannabis was here log long before us and will be here long after. Who cares what name people give their pot. We have forums like this to lead people to the proper companies but constantly complaining that a company doesnt have the original is getting old.
from everyone...
enjoy the weed you can grow and be thankful anyone is even offering seeds. If you dont like the taco stand go get a hamburger. No one is forcing anyone to purchase anything.
Sativied
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What the fuck....
While they aren't the original breeders of all, they didn't simply TAKE genetics. What you accuse them of doing is what many others are doing with their strains. That's not even a secret. Ask dinafem lol...
As I mentioned in a recent thread:
It's apparent many people have no clue where modern indoor cannabis comes from.
NL#5/Haze from sensi is what both Arjan (GHS) and shantibaba (mr nice seedbank) started out with. Amongst others...
Add Skunk #1 and you got SSH, the foundation for some of the best hybrids today, as well as popular cuts (Blue Dream...)
GHS Super lemon haze is SSH x (skunk #1 x citral) = Sensi x sensi x sensi x sensi...
C99 is bag seed from sensi JH... and more of their strains added.
Hindu kush suitable for indoor growing didn't just fall out of the air... need I go on (hint.. Masterkush...)
Those indoor high yielding high thc short flowering strains didn't just fall out of the air... (sensi, positronics!)
As for mr nice, the auction is definitely a good way to get good genetics for a reasonable price.
The best they have to offer is the SSH . Shit is Skunk #1 (sensi), Critical Mass is Big Bud (sensi...), etc, ETC...
Back in the day Sensi was a coffeeshop, they were one of the first to sell seeds suitable for indoor growing in Amsterdam.
Follow that quote for more info...Post below turned into a rant, not directed to your personallyIt just relates to my nr 1 annoyance in the cannabis industry.
No not for "the seeds" as in all seeds and especially not the "near as good part". For some strains that could obviously be true, for some the opposite.
When talking about old strains you don't buy seeds, you buy genetics. And when it comes to originals, sensi is one of the best places to get them, and in fact where many breeders got and still get them.
The whole thing is so ironic, retaining the genetics of all the pollen chucks people made with amongst others sensi seeds is the hard part and what in fact is messing up the gene pool and makes it harder for actual breeders. Saying that sensi seeds was better 10-20 years ago is just barking up the wrong tree and ungrateful to Ben Dronkers who if he were american would probably called "a hero". Without people like him you'd all have far less strains and hybrids to order online and grow.
It's what mr nice is all about (and hence no fem seed) though, and for some strains his could be the better. Keeping the old ones alive so breeders still have the ol'd dutch IBLs to work with instead of the unstable narrowed down pollen chucks. If I remember correctly they also tried to breed the NL#5 (which is long gone) out of the NL#5/Haze again. Theoretically doable with enough NL#5/Haze to get something close, but in reality downright impossible to get the NL#5 as it was.
The saying "in the past everything was better" is always meant sarcastic, the older you get, the more people go "this and that was way better in the past".
Super skunk never was that uber strain people pretend they remember of it. I smoked it daily for years, and sold a lot of it while working in a coffeeshop 2 decades ago when the whole menu in most coffeeshops contained largely classics only. I've seen the rest appear bit by bit.
Obviously there are many strains/crosses/pollenchucks out there that are much better than the old sensi IBLs, but if you want an old skunk (or o haze and many others) that comes close to what it was 20 years ago...
And where do you think Sam's seeds ended up directly and indirectly? Positronics, flying dutchmen (which is now sensi seeds because he's one of the most reliable and actual seed banks able to retain genetics over long times), and sensi seeds itself. A LOT of work has been done on that since, from which you all benefit still today.
http://www.olded.nl/Old Ed geschiedenis.html (select english translation). I have a grow guide written by those guys nearly 3 decades ago.
Perhaps it's because in the US people are more used to hyping the real thing when it comes to clones, like the real GSC forum cut, or another unstable "elite" OG Kush pheno. Those are hard to keep available for decades, because, they are not bred as a strain.
The whole point of creating stable IBLs is so they and the hybrids created with them can be reproduced endlessly and effortlessly.
That's what breeding is really about... At the same time they, especially combined, provide a wide genepool used to create most of the popular crosses and hybrids. It's why those sensi seeds are so valuable, a LOT of work has gone into those from which not only growers but also many pollen chucking pocket fillers benefit from today. People say sensi is expensive... well, should have paid them instead of the rippers.
And while I'm at it... Dinafem... their popular strains, praised by many, especially by the wannabees in Spain, are nothing more than sensi x mr nice... They won't even deny it. They actual sent an email to mr nice to let him know they stole his Critical Mass (which again, is big bud, something mr nice won't deny either). Their WW is nothing more than our WW crossed with our WW... I say "our" because before amnesia haze and SSH that was the nr 1 popular strain on coffeeshop menus for over a decade.
While their methods disgust me, at least they know what the real good stuff is and are honest about what they stole (others just rename it... as if they magically found an indoor strain that finishes in 9 weeks...)
Starting a breeding project with dutch ibl x bag seed x pollen chuck x forum cut is not only unpractical, it's unethical, and unless you put years in stabilizing that soup it simply is not breeding.
Starting a breeding project using sensi seeds AND actually create something new AND reproducible is acceptable though. It is in fact the legal way in NL for non-cannabis species (giving monsanto a harder time...), you can borrow genetics from anyone, as long as what you create with it is actually a new strain that can consistently be reproduced. That requires IBLs... and if you want to create something new, you need variation, which means a wide genepool, something old, not something 5 pollen chuckers worked on before you.
Ok I'm done
Unless of course you prefer Dutch IBLs/hybrids x bag seeds x pollen chuck x forum cut....
Tell them to give University of Mississippi their G-13 back, since they didnt get permission to use it in their crosses....
Your list is showing a bunch of genetics crossed. None manufactured by Sensi seeds. Popular genetics that were available that they crossed together and made their own strains.
Your list is showing a bunch of genetics crossed. None manufactured by Sensi seeds. Popular genetics that were available that they crossed together and made their own strains.
King Arthur
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You and Sati need to go outside and take a run or something, you both are really only stirring up drama over some shit that doesn't even matter.
I mean seriously .... every breeder is sharing their genetics with other breeders now calling it "collabs" so obviously they don't mind sharing.
Again, out of the mass majority who the fuck really cares?
GrowUrOwnDank
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OP. Pay no attention to this nonsense. Dinafem breeds good hardy easy to grow strains. I've grown a couple. The Critical Jack auto is a little finicky, but is a wonderful high. MY fav that I've ever toked. It yeilded kinda weak but was worth it in potency. You can run over the Roadrunner with a semi truck and that thing would keep on growing. Decent potency. A really old strain tho.
King Arthur
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Yup OP disregard almost this entire page, you ask about dinafem and now we got a whole different tampon dropping bleedfest going on.
Dinafem works, look at all the journals and see how many happy people there are out there who use it.
Dinafem works, look at all the journals and see how many happy people there are out there who use it.
Sativied
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Obviously what you care about is yourself, and nothing more. I care about the work capable breeders put into creating new strains, the gene pool and the future of indoor cannabis breeding and growing.
There's no appreciation for real breeders while pollen chuckers are hyped... It's like having to explain to you it's not ok to steal... and you tell me to take run or something. It's ok to use someone's strains to breed a new strain. Their critical and WW amongst others is just theft and only possible because cannabis is largely illegal.
When pointing out dishonesty is not appreciated you know your surrounded by dishonest people... Sounded better on the meme I saw but can't find
King Arthur
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You wouldn't know what I care about cuz you don't even know me, I am one of the most honest and trustworthy people there are. I also am one of the most generous people I know, giving out free beans, joints, buds on a regular to those who are in need. You are picking a fight where there is none to pick. This thread is about whether dinafem grows decent buds or not.. has nothing to do with your moral compass.Obviously what you care about is yourself, and nothing more. I care about the work capable breeders put into creating new strains, the gene pool and the future of indoor cannabis breeding and growing.
There's no appreciation for real breeders while pollen chuckers are hyped... It's like having to explain to you it's not ok to steal... and you tell me to take run or something. It's ok to use someone's strains to breed a new strain. Their critical and WW amongst others is just theft and only possible because cannabis is largely illegal.
When pointing out dishonesty is not appreciated you know your surrounded by dishonest people... Sounded better on the meme I saw but can't find
You could be a shit ton more productive by steering people in the right direction without being so abrasive. I don't appreciate the disrespect so if you want to continue having a problem I will do us both a favor and throw you on the ignore list just like the other douchebags on the site.
I have also exposed many many lies in the industry including certain seed companies so you can take your holier than thou approach and shove it where the son don't shine.
GrowUrOwnDank
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Meh. EVERYBODYS got a critical and a WW and a Kush and an Amnesia and a....................... Dinafem makes good gardy strains. Maybe those other guys too. I dunno. Haven't tried them. But Dinafem is straight. Especially love the autos.Obviously what you care about is yourself, and nothing more. I care about the work capable breeders put into creating new strains, the gene pool and the future of indoor cannabis breeding and growing.
There's no appreciation for real breeders while pollen chuckers are hyped... It's like having to explain to you it's not ok to steal... and you tell me to take run or something. It's ok to use someone's strains to breed a new strain. Their critical and WW amongst others is just theft and only possible because cannabis is largely illegal.
When pointing out dishonesty is not appreciated you know your surrounded by dishonest people... Sounded better on the meme I saw but can't find
Sativied
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Again, it's not a secret where they come from... maybe not obvious for you, in the netherlands it is. The original WW originates just 50 miles from my place...
As a matter of fact, Dinafem actually informed Shantibaba (at Mr Nice) that they used his Critical (after the fact...), and Mr Nice's Critical is Bid Bud (from sensi......)
Again, those indoor strains didn't just fall out of the air. Sam -> Neville -> Sensi Seeds. Sam -> Flying Dutchmen -> Sensi. Sam / Old Ed -> Postitronics.
www.sensiseeds.com
www.mrnice.nl
The dishonest comment is a saying... wasn't mean to be a personal attack or character judgement. I don't know you. Wasn't verbatim either, something about people responding aggressive when pointing out dishonesty... kinda like you're doing now.
As for abrasive, it really doesn't matter how I put the truth, it always gets met with the same butthurt emotional responses except for a handful of people who 'get it'. If you don't and you get upset by my bluntness, you can simply skip my posts.
This thread is about whether dinafem WW is any good. I'm giving better alternatives, less inbred by pollen chuckers. You're the punk picking a fight while you're not even in my league.
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firsttimeARE
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Right...I only run a few seeds at a time of any strain. So I can compare. Would it be fair to compare it to strains from breeders I gre out 100seeds from? No. But if the basis of my comparison is the same throughout companies I can compare my findings. This is justmy opinion. Everything I ran from them hasnt been spectacular but it all produced.
GrowUrOwnDank
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Cliff notes Paleeeeezee.
I found a link to exactly what you need and we can sum up this whole thread. "The past, present and future of breeding strains.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-hug-thread.863621/
King Arthur
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Oh so sorry masta growa!!! you oh so powerful... lol. Your league can kiss my ass and so can you.
Plenty of people growing Dinafem white widow without problems and are loving it. The reports are out there and the people will be free. All it takes is a little googling and the world opens up.