Harvest day or nite?
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TO176-1Think mine is just ready to harvest and was wondering when people think it's best to harvest? Beginning or end of light cycle?
iv been told if you put them in the dark for last 48 hours your plant uses up all it its spare energy ,something to do with carbs and sugars and u get better bud, then harvest in normal light,,,,you best ask around about that one though im not to sure,,,,have you flushed them?
why haven't you used nutes, is the soil ready mixed
qwizoking
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Don't flush, unless you overfed or otherwise trying to fix the soil..it is not necessary or beneficial in a healthy grow. Nutes are not bad either
Harvest after the dark period, some will say waiting a couple days will let terps build that would have volatized and letting some lesser trichs develop without degrading already mature heads. And yes the break down of stored starches and things
You want to harvest at night though unless you don't have neighbors. . Or perhaps they're the type that works all day.. .
Harvest after the dark period, some will say waiting a couple days will let terps build that would have volatized and letting some lesser trichs develop without degrading already mature heads. And yes the break down of stored starches and things
You want to harvest at night though unless you don't have neighbors. . Or perhaps they're the type that works all day.. .
id still flush out, there's nute in your soil, and the 48 dark before harvest is good to go, plus you can snip the ends off your leaves for last week to enhance thc, i think its something to do with aliitle stress and the plant defends , producing thc? Ok
Bane28775
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Why?
qwizoking
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Flushing is retarded.. sorry if that offends
So is snipping the leaves to stress. I thought we made fun of people smoking that stress weed.
Learn how THC and the terpenes are produced. Learn how nutes affect burn qualities etc.. sooo much misinformation if you try to listen to others
So is snipping the leaves to stress. I thought we made fun of people smoking that stress weed.
Learn how THC and the terpenes are produced. Learn how nutes affect burn qualities etc.. sooo much misinformation if you try to listen to others
this has come from a world cup winnerThat's why I didn't use them
It is advised that you stop using your cannabis flowering fertilizer 2 weeks before harvest time to ensure that all chemicals are out of the plant. If chemicals are in the plant when you harvest, the smoke will be very harsh. To prevent harshness, flush the plants heavily with fresh water 2 weeks prior to harvesting them. Ensure you flush at least 3 times the capacity of your pot. So a 4 gallon pot would be flushed with 16 gallons of fresh water. From that point water your plants with pure water, absolutely NO additives should be given to the plant. This is especially important if you have been using chemical fertilizers
qwizoking
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No he doesn't know what he's talking about
my thoughts on flushing and shit...at the end of harvest
I use the "worst" nutes you can buy,
but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure
When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.
Ash is literally the nutes.
that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)
...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...
The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't anitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed including tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield and quality..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black Flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas
the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure
Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
my thoughts on flushing and shit...at the end of harvest
I use the "worst" nutes you can buy,
but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure
When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.
Ash is literally the nutes.
that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)
...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...
The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't anitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed including tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield and quality..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black Flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas
the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure
Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
An old salt called rolanterroy turned me on to systematically snipping the ends off leaves during the last few weeks of budding to increase potency, much like the wounds insect or small mammal predation might leave.
...He also taught me about putting the buds into complete darkness for the last 3-7 days before harvest.
My measurements are all qualitative; but isn't that what matters in the end, how it looks, smells, and what it does to us?
At the end of the shock period, the plants appear more resinous, the buds are indeed stickier (resin builds up on my fingers more quickly during handling than before the shock period), and they are more aromatic. I consistently find them to be more potent as well.
Medicineman posted this at the grow your own medicine blogspot around Jan/Feb '09.
Quote: day 7 of flushing-shock ripening- fill res half way with ice and leave box in darkness for at least 3 days and as long as 7 days. maintain the res at 0 degress celcius (32 fernhiet) for the period of darkness you choose. (if you want a little sweeter taste and have the time, shock ripen 10-14 days after flushing) DO NOT ALLOW ANY LIGHT IN DURING SHOCK RIPINING!!! this will add resin to your buds like you've never seen before.
I'm an organic dirt farmer, so I initiate the shock by wrapping the pots w/ foam insulation, and drenching the root zone with ice water. I use a fourth as much water as normal, and apply it every day.
Qualitatively, the results are even better than before.
Both rolanterroy and medicineman note that these techniques are more productive on inidicas and mostly indica hybrids, due to bud structure.
I'm getting things together to do a series of crops, adding exposure to uv-b light during the shock period.
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